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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 1:36am Post subject: Question, specifically people with rippy strat for tourneys
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Straight
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Posts: 209
WPP: 169
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When it gets shorthanded, I start playing pretty aggressively, and I dont think I do anything sytupid, but it gets to the point where people get tired of my aggression and start to play back, and I am not sure when to know I am beat because they reraise all the time. I hit middle pair, or top pair good kicker, hands which are easy to let go, but good enough to take down pots late in tournaments when you keep your foot on the gas.
I hope you see what I am saying, situations like, I bet, and the person may or may not have it is saying, "you bet almost every flop, lets see what youre mad of"
How do you play these situations. I dont think you push over the top with middle pair, but it feels like i am giving up the hand and then i start to look weak. I hate betting and folding to a reraise because in my mind it feels like i just try to buy pots all the time.
know what i mean? |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 8:20am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3089
WPP: 159
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| I avoid this situation by introducing periods of calculated softness. If your hand isn't strong and the pot isn't large, just let it go sometimes. Play a little tighter pre-flop for a while, and a little more passively. Let the other players relax for a few minutes and they won't be as tempted to play back at you all the time. |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 12:04pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
Posts: 522
WPP: 83
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You need to play your table image. Obviously these people lose all respect for any raise you throw out, so at this point you need to stop, wait for a good hand and then bet and get your payoff. Then wait for another good hand and do it again. let middle pairs go, yes they will win some, but its not worth your stack. If soemone wants to see what your made of, this isn't a wrestleing match, its a dance.
If you can set that type of table image you are one step from being able to trap people with your image and get a payoff. After someone recognizes your play, you can not continue down the same path, you will get eaten (I assume this is what is happen currently)
Good luck! |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 12:28pm Post subject:
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But who will mod the mods?!
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
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Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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| {Moved from Hold'em Strategies} |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 2:54pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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no i dont really get eaten, i do slow down but it feels weak or something to me, like it isnt the solution.
i see what everyne is saying, and thats why i like this site, sometimes the solution is so obvious, i just need someone to point it out to me |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 3:25pm Post subject: Re: Question, specifically people with rippy strat for tourn
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Season I
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Posts: 2359
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Location: Dallas, TX
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| Darby wrote: | I am not sure when to know I am beat because they reraise all the time
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know what i mean? |
Very much so. A midpair play killed me last night, and I guess my style is Rippish... that's what the guys keep telling me anyway.
Radashack's right; you get basically one payoff from this image. Probably a big one. Maybe two if someone at the table isn't paying much attention. If you already got one, it's a good idea to downshift.
It's also a good idea not to downshift on occasion; but make it random. e.g. if my kicker is red and/or an even number, I'll floor it. |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 3:32pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 23 Aug 2004
Posts: 813
WPP: 145
Location: Mount Holly, NC
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| Quote: | | I hate betting and folding to a reraise because in my mind it feels like i just try to buy pots all the time. |
If it is right play then you have to make it...regardless of what you think thier image of you is. If you start getting significant playback you simply tighten up and wait for a good hand to showdown somewhat passively. I have found it to be a very effective tactic to getting more action - or getting more respect. When you have a great hand and someone who has been playing back at you, bets into you aggressively - it is a very powerful statement smooth calling him to showdown with the best hand. He will be less aggressive with you the next time. Radashack it correct..it is like a dance, but it is also like wrestling or Judo. You try and use your opponents momentum against him and to your advantage. You will constantly be grappling and changing positions...aggressive - then passive - then aggressive again. The way to win is to be aware of where your opponent thinks you are - be one step ahead - then move in for the takedown.
The other far more aggressive option is to play right back at them - If you bet and they raise...go right back at them with a reraise/push - Put them to a decision for all of thier chips....essentially you are saying; "Ok you think I'm bluffing...it is going to cost you all your chips to find out" I do this with better than average hands - so you do have reasonable outs in case you get called....you would be surprised how often they were just taking a stab at it like you were, and simply fold. (of course I have been burned by genuinely good hands) I have dealt out my share of bad beats, by getting lucky. This is certainly more of a NL ring game tactic, since if you get busted you can buy back in - in a SnG or Tourney doing this would be very dangerous. |
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Posted: Fri, 19 Nov 2004, 12:11am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 530
WPP: 64
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I only go rippy with decent stack against passive players in bubble
I think it's generally -EV play against decent opponents that notice that you
stole blinds for past 5 times out of 10. |
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Posted: Fri, 19 Nov 2004, 5:03pm Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 4
WPP: 96
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Quote: | | Obviously these people lose all respect for any raise you throw out, so at this point you need to stop, wait for a good hand and then bet and get your payoff. Then wait for another good hand and do it again. |
The decision of whether to push or fold in this situation deep in a MTT is still one that sometimes perplexes. I have found the "apply and release" method of alternating pressure combined with constant evaluation of what flops my opp likely missed have been helpful in dealing with this issue. What is your opp raising with? trash? cool, push with that 88 then. Otherwise, If i can steal 1 round of blinds per orbit I'm content waiting for a better time to shove in. Just my 2 cents.
ps. I have been lurking around here for a couple weeks and want to become, well, active. I am fairly new to the game of Hold 'Em but have applied many of the techniques learned here with positive results. There is a great repository of information here and I look forward to being able to contribute. Thanks to Riptyde, fnord, , xianti, radashack, fyrfytr, soupie and all the others who have selflessly put forth so much excellent advice, it is appreciated. |
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