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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 6:51am Post subject: Quest to Play 1000 200+15 PP sngs
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Posts: 2038
WPP: 142
Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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I am going to partake on a quest to play 1000 200+15 PP sngs. The reason I am partaking on this quest is to motivate myself to play more often and too get a good measure of the results I can expect on the 200+15s. I will be updating my stats in this thread from time and you guys can comment in here as well. I will be running them in sets of 4-8 tables at a time.
# Played : 209
Buy in +fee: $44,935.00
Amount won: $65,200.00
Net Amount: $20,265.00
ROI: 45.1%
ITM: 46.4%
Avg Finish 4.22
Finish distribution:
1st Place- 32
2nd place- 36
3rd place- 29
P.S Yes I know Im copying Zeejustin on this one but hey I think it will be fun |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 6:56am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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| As you can see Im running pretty good right now but I hope I can end up with at least a 15% ROI by the end of the 1000 |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 6:15pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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PUlling the good ole zee justin are ya?
Good luck man, you kno wat to do with the HHs. |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 8:11pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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WPP: 68
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If I didn't have to go to school, I'd do this right along with you  . GL man |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 8:32pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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Do it in 10 days... THat'll be real fun.
-'rilla |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 8:36pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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WPP: 60
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| How long do you think it will take you, aces? |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 9:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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| vqchuang wrote: | | How long do you think it will take you, aces? |
No idea, the thing is I am so lazy and only play when I am in the mood. Ideally 2weeks. |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 10:06pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 336
WPP: 136
Location: They were suited!
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| Wowsers, 2 weeks? That's like, 70 a day! If you're 8-tabling at the 200 level, can I have your autograph? |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 10:25pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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WPP: 142
Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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| AndyHolt wrote: | | Wowsers, 2 weeks? That's like, 70 a day! If you're 8-tabling at the 200 level, can I have your autograph? |
ROFL I suck I just know perfect ICM math when the blinds get big. |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 11:23pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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perfect ICM math eh.
I got me one of those.
SHIP THOSE HHs. |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 7:56am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 23 May 2004
Posts: 611
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Location: Crypto 6max 100NL
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 8:26am Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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Location: Compton - L.A
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| Interesting, I'm also very lazy and Im thinking of doing something like this aswell to motivate myself |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 10:13am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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Im on the tailend of a 13 hour all nigh session in which I ran aweful and after 13 hours of 4- tabling sngs was up a grand total of 300 bucks. I hate running bad  At least I knocked off some sngs from my total. |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 3:57pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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is your ROI positive?
Yes?
Ok then =D.
23 bucks an hour isnt something to sneeze at. |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 4:21pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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Location: im so asian
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how is up 300 bucks running bad??????? I had a 13 OOTM streak yesterday and ended up down 4 buyins for the day. It is not running good but winning is much better than losing your arse. And LOL on the guy that said "ICM?"
aces did you study icm math using eastbays tool or tinker on your own. I have been gong back and doing the math is some of my sngs and have been about 85 percent right according to icm..... im not there yet but close |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 5:44pm Post subject:
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Straight
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| trik what levels are you playing nowadays? |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 6:22pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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Location: im so asian
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| 8 tablin 55's movin to the 109's soon.... |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 9:04pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 9:09pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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Location: im so asian
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running well 22% 39% over 1300 sngs or so. I play for a living so I am not moving up until i have 200 buy ins for the 109's which im really close to having. I would have it and more but i put a fat down payment on a 02 zo6 vette.  |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Aug 2005, 9:32pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| vettes are ridiculously sexy. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 5:10am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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# Played: 309
Buy in +Fee: $66,435
Amount Won: $90,000
Net Amount: $23,565
ROI: 35.47%
ITM: 43.04%
Avg Finish 4.34
Finish distribution
1st: 44
2nd: 52
3rd:37 |
Last edited by ilikeaces86 on Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 8:07am; edited 2 times in total
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 5:11am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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| had a 15 buy in downswing then worked it back up still trucking along |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 12:32pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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| ur ROI is ridiculously high. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 2:31pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Mar 2004
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Aces(and other succesful SNG multi-tablers) -
Do you simply buy into the first x games you can, or do you space it out so you're not hitting the same levels at all tables at the same time? I'd love to see somebody write a sticky on multitabling vs. one at a time for SNGs. I still haven't got the hang of it, though I haven't tried it too much yet. I depend on my reads and can't imagine taking notes on 4-8 tables at a time. I do multitable ring games reasonably well.
How long did it take to succesfully(again, for anyone) multitable?
(BTW, awesome stats so far aces  ) |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 2:36pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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wat I used to do
start 2 or 3 up all at the same time. Bubble was manageable with 3 tables but not 4.
wat i do now (thank u rilla)
start up 2
wait till it gets to 25/50
start up another 2
bubble is now manageable becuase they are not at the same time.
i assume that if you are going to add more than 4 tables
you could
start up 3 instead of 2
or
start up 4 instead of 3
multitabling isnt that hard if youve done the same thing over and over and over and over again.
and by that i mean getting really good at folding =D. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 2:40pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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Location: trying to live
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| i like starting them at the same time. if all are on the same level i dont make as many mistakes. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 2:41pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 07 Jul 2004
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| gabe wrote: | | i like starting them at the same time. if all are on the same level i dont make as many mistakes. |
Me too. I find that if I am on the bubble in two and early in 2, I may end up pushing all in with A9 on the wrong table.  |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 3:02pm Post subject:
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Full House
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I assume you guys play fairly straightforward(i.e. somewhat less read-dependent) when multitabling? When I'm not tilting, I'm pretty good about folding alot of hands, so that shouldn't be a problem.
What kind of drop-off(if any) do you find in your ROI?
I'm mostly one-tabling PP 50+5 and 100+9 now. I've messed around with 2-3 tables at the PS 5+.50 without much luck(starting them at the same time). I'm tempted to try 2 tabling the PP 20+2 since I'm more comfortable with that blind structure for whatever reason, and run them at 20-25 minute intervals.
And OK laugh at me, but seriously what is ICM ? |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 3:20pm Post subject:
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Flush
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| ICM is a heuristic for determining $EV in a tourney setting. Put simply, it models each chip as a lottery ticket to win, and your $EV in a situation is determined by marching the tree of chances to win each place. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 3:25pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 3:41pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
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Location: 6MAX-NL - Houston
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| CrunchyNuts wrote: | | ICM is a heuristic for determining $EV in a tourney setting. Put simply, it models each chip as a lottery ticket to win, and your $EV in a situation is determined by marching the tree of chances to win each place. |
I would like more info on this as well.... I know you tried to "put it simply", but I'm picturing a bunch or trees that are marching with lottery tickets... No prob, I'll try a forum search... |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 3:49pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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ok hows this
with x players left
you have y chips
and those y chips equate a z% of the prize money.
That is ICM. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 3:52pm Post subject:
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Flush
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Perhaps I should have said "put it tersely", it's not a simple concept unless you're as much of a math nerd as I am. But I don't want to turn ace's thread into the ICM thread, I might post an explanation with examples later, and try to sum up why I think VQ likes it too much for an encore.
(edit - "That is ICM." Well, sorta. That's a very rough approximation of it.) |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 3:56pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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We can hijack aces' thread
I give you permission! =D
Que? (for the encore part)
| CrunchyNuts wrote: | and try to sum up why I think VQ likes it too much for an encore.
(edit - "That is ICM." Well, sorta. That's a very rough approximation of it.) |
I think its close enough. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 3:56pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
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| Is PP the only place you can get that much 200 SNG action? Most of the day you couldn't play 4 200 SNSs at the same time at PS, and 4 is the max I think. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 4:00pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| ilikeaces86 wrote: |
ROFL I suck I just know perfect ICM math when the blinds get big. |
I just read all the stuff vq linked on ICM...It seems interesting. Do you really do these calculations for every call/raise/fold/check opportunity ilikeaces? |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 4:00pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Mar 2004
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I'd estimate I've played ~ 2K PP SNGs (from 5-100. mostly 50 now with some 100 and 20 thrown in). My online + live BR is about 4.6K(profit), which is how I've measured my success. I don't have my ROI - one of my goals is to track results a little better. I've gotten all my SNG results from PS(much smaller sample). I'm hoping PP will be able to give me the same thing. The last few times I've checked stats on Poker Prophecy my "win"(ITM) % was about 38-39%, which put me in the second hightest category(my results have improved greatly in the last 3 months), but even before then I was a winning player. |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 4:07pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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no he just plays enough to kno approximately when it is coorect to push.
me on the other hand.
I make charts =). |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 5:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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| drmcboy wrote: | | Is PP the only place you can get that much 200 SNG action? Most of the day you couldn't play 4 200 SNSs at the same time at PS, and 4 is the max I think. |
On PP they run like every 3 minutes |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 8:59pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
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Any time I ever think that I may never be able to win money at poker I think of ilikeaces and how much of a moron he is and how well he's doing.
It brings me hope. 
-'rilla |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 9:11pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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| a500lbgorilla wrote: | Any time I ever think that I may never be able to win money at poker I think of ilikeaces and how much of a moron he is and how well he's doing.
It brings me hope.
-'rilla |
FU pay me |
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Posted: Tue, 23 Aug 2005, 9:26pm Post subject:
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Flush
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Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005, 7:08am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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Finally played my 1000th 200+15 SNG on PP.
ITM: 37%
ROI: measly............ 7%
Total profit: Barely over 15k.
Conclusion: Im not as good as I thought I was, and I think I will make more 8 tabling the 109s then 4 tabling the 215s. |
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Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005, 7:53am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| ilikeaces86 wrote: | Finally played my 1000th 200+15 SNG on PP.
Total profit: Barely over 15k.
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15K in a week. I can see how you'd be upset about that.  |
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Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005, 7:55am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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| I thought I made this thread like a month ago? |
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Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005, 7:57am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| ilikeaces86 wrote: | | I thought I made this thread like a month ago? |
Sorry. My bad. I read the days, not the months. I still wouldn't knock back 15K in a month, though.
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Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005, 8:30pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| vqchuang wrote: | no he just plays enough to kno approximately when it is coorect to push.
me on the other hand.
I make charts =). |
another ICM thread hijack
what kind of charts? just curious how you chart something out like ICM where the variables are so, well, varied. |
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