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Posted: Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 10:48am Post subject: QQ then Ak against same guy....you play these two any diff?
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Flush
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 505
WPP: 108
Location: Pittsburgh
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 (t1380)
MP2 (t1460)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1460)
Hero (Button) (t1470)
SB (t1380)
BB (t1440)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1960)
Hero's M: 49.00
Preflop: Hero is Button with Q , Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, 3 folds, Hero bets t120, 3 folds, MP1 calls t100
Flop: (t290) 9 , K, 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets t180, Hero folds
Total pot: t290
Next hand...AKs. Do you shove? fold to his ep 3 bet?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 (t1550)
MP1 (t1460)
MP2 (t1470)
MP3 (t1460)
Hero (CO) (t1350)
Button (t1370)
SB (t1420)
BB (t1480)
UTG (t1940)
Hero's M: 45.00
Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A
UTG bets t100, UTG+1 raises to t200, 3 folds, Hero calls t200, 3 folds, UTG calls t100
Flop: (t630) 6, 2, 3 (3 players)
UTG bets t100, UTG+1 raises to t300, Hero folds, UTG calls t200
Turn: (t1230) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets t500, UTG+1 raises to t1050 (All-In), 1 fold
Total pot: t2230 |
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Posted: Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 10:57am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
Posts: 583
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Location: Who loves ya baby
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Hand 1: I don't get it, you think Kx is in mp1's limp/call range? I would have called that donk bet.
Hand 2: I think that's fine? |
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Posted: Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 12:05pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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WPP: 108
Location: Pittsburgh
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what do you do on the turn??
i just feel like hes never folding his PPs on that board.. |
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Posted: Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 12:30pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Location: Cape Town
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I'd say a bet from a Kx hand in this spot would be unusual. It's more normal it would be checked to you and he would call or check-raise you. I think you're ahead of his range here, so I'd call the flop bet see if he 2nd barrels the turn. I think you can more-or-less fold to a biggish 2nd barrel.
2nd hand I look to raise up here. No one has shown any real strength and AKs loses a lot unless you can get it all-in pre-flop. I'd like to see what other people think, as I don't think calling is too bad here either. |
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Posted: Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 1:56pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 21 May 2005
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| Hand one I repop him to $500 and see what he does. I bet he lays it down. Hand two, tough spot, two trains of thought re-pop to $600 and see the flop or call and see the flop. I think you're mostly right there's a pocket pair there. |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 10:43am Post subject:
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Season VII
Joined: 04 Aug 2004
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Location: HotLanta
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Hand 1 I am calling the flop
Hand 2 I am 3bet shoving pre-flop |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 10:53am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Location: Who loves ya baby
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| GatorJH wrote: | | Hand 2 I am 3bet shoving pre-flop |
You mean 4bet right? |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 11:04am Post subject:
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Full House
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| Lucothefish wrote: | | GatorJH wrote: | | Hand 2 I am 3bet shoving pre-flop |
You mean 4bet right? |
The whole 3-bet/4-bet thing still confuses me. Can anyone clarify exactly what they mean? |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 11:10am Post subject:
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Flush
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Location: Who loves ya baby
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| Nakamura wrote: | | Lucothefish wrote: | | GatorJH wrote: | | Hand 2 I am 3bet shoving pre-flop |
You mean 4bet right? |
The whole 3-bet/4-bet thing still confuses me. Can anyone clarify exactly what they mean? |
Preflop, the blind counts as the first bet. So if someone opens, and you raise them you're 3betting.
On the flop if someone bets and you raise, it's not 3betting. |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 11:34am Post subject:
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Season VII
Joined: 04 Aug 2004
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| missed the minraise 3bet so yes, 4bet shoving |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 3:10pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| I don't understand the flop on the flop on hand 1. I don't see this guy just calling a Kx. Looks like a steal attempt to me. |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 6:20pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 07 Jul 2005
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Location: Sydney
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Hand 1 (QQ) - I agree with the others, with position I would call this bet and see what he does on the turn. If he fires again for 2/3 pot (and we don't spike a Q) I let it go.
Hand 2 (AKs) - I think you played it fine. You need like 55%+ equity in this spot to flip against a lower pocket pair and there's a good chance that even if one of them folds that they fold Ax, meaning that you've lost some of your outs. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 3:51pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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WPP: 108
Location: Pittsburgh
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damn everyone thanks for the great input...
i think i may be shutting down and panicking too early or giving people too much credit on alot of hands
hand 2...
im still not sold on, almost all of you seem to want to get it in pre at the 10/20 level?? |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 10:15pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 15 May 2009
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Location: Catchin' fishes
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| No, what he said was that AKs wants to get it in preflop. Once the flop comes, if it's all unders, it loses a lot of power. I think he said pop it to 600 and see what happens. The problem with that in a $5 game is that A9 and TT both call the all in, and you miss. In a higher-buy-in tourney, A9 lays down and even TT thinks twice. |
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