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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 4:56pm Post subject: QQ lots of action preflop
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 2693
WPP: 70
Location: Richmond, VA
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Every single one of these players are playing around 21/17 and seem to be regs/competent. The UTG guy is a huge fish spewing off his money which is why I stayed at the table. The SB 3bets 7.0% of the time with ALL of them being in the SB over 114 hands so small sample though. BB 3bets 0% of the time. I wasn't really sure if I should be scared or trying to trap with a monster or what.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP) ($54.55)
Button ($72.55)
SB ($57.40)
BB ($105.65)
UTG ($57.85)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Q , Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, Button calls $1.75, SB raises to $8.50, BB calls $8, Hero raises to $54.55 (All-In) |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 5:44pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 May 2008
Posts: 1051
WPP: 67
Location: Manc U.K.
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| well obviously your way ahead of sbs 3 betting range though im definitely worried about what the bb has, as if hes competent he knows your likely to 4 bet fairly lightly here against sbs frequent 3 betting from this position. However you cant put him on aa and kk all the time so I cant see any option other than to 4 bet get/it in. |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 5:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Posts: 1669
WPP: 57
Location: UK
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| I'm torn between this and $26; I don't think either is bad so long as you've shown a propensity towards flinging poo (which I'm sure you have at some point over 114 hands) |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 5:51pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Posts: 891
WPP: 111
Location: Santa Cruz
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| Hugely standard, you can push or you can 4 bet small and get it in. |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 6:25pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1695
WPP: 63
Location: Montreal
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SB - its a squeeze, so squeeze % more relevant here, but either way prolly too small sample size
BB - i think 4bet % is what matters here or call 3bet %...
I play it the same though. |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 6:41pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Richmond, VA
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| Alexos wrote: | | I play it the same though. |
Would you spike the Q on the river to pwn AA, too? Just wondering. |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 6:57pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 11 Dec 2008
Posts: 118
WPP: 46
Location: Auburn
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| I do not think going all in preflop their makes any sense. Instead maybe reraise once more and get it down to just 3 or 2 players and see how the flop comes. If its a favorable one for you then you wanna raise big or go all in |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 7:01pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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WPP: 63
Location: Montreal
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| kmind wrote: | | Alexos wrote: | | I play it the same though. |
Would you spike the Q on the river to pwn AA, too? Just wondering. |
Yeah, thats the only reason I would play it the same.... if I didnt feel the Q coming I would have open mucked
nh |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 7:53pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Location: Richmond, VA
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| Mr Bigcity wrote: | | I do not think going all in preflop their makes any sense. Instead maybe reraise once more and get it down to just 3 or 2 players and see how the flop comes. If its a favorable one for you then you wanna raise big or go all in |
You have to take in account of ranges/stack sizes/etc. because I don't understand this at all. |
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Posted: Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 8:32pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 4030
WPP: 65
Location: the bullsh*t im adressin', check im on some next level shit
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| kmind wrote: | | Mr Bigcity wrote: | | I do not think going all in preflop their makes any sense. Instead maybe reraise once more and get it down to just 3 or 2 players and see how the flop comes. If its a favorable one for you then you wanna raise big or go all in |
wat? |
FYP |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 1:19pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Feb 2007
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| ATOTHEC101 wrote: | | im definitely worried about what the bb has, as if hes competent he knows your likely to 4 bet fairly lightly here against sbs frequent 3 betting from this position. |
God help me if there are people thinking like this at 50nl. |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 1:31pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Location: New York
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| rewfie40 wrote: | | ATOTHEC101 wrote: | | im definitely worried about what the bb has, as if hes competent he knows your likely to 4 bet fairly lightly here against sbs frequent 3 betting from this position. |
God help me if there are people thinking like this at 50nl. |
I can assure you that there is about no one that thinks like this at 50nl |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 1:37pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Posts: 590
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Location: tha seben oh too
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| Pushing instead of 4b/get it in is probably bad for balance purposes. If you're ever 4betting light at 50NL are you going to want to push? |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 4:08pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 15 May 2007
Posts: 333
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Location: Helllllo Richard
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| ^^^ I don't think balance is really an issue here given the action. 4 bet bluffing in this spot would be pretty insane. |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 4:32pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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Location: Montreal
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| Parasurama wrote: | | Pushing instead of 4b/get it in is probably bad for balance purposes. If you're ever 4betting light at 50NL are you going to want to push? |
wat |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 5:00pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1306
WPP: 91
Location: KC, MO
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| Is it time to troll for freeroll passwords again? |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 5:03pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
Posts: 254
WPP: 44
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| i get what para is saying, it's pretty simple yah? If you're ever going to 4bet bluff in this spot, then you won't be shoving. So when you have a real hand like QQ, play it like a 4bet bluff except call the shove. |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 5:53pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 11 Dec 2008
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WPP: 46
Location: Auburn
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| bode wrote: | | kmind wrote: | | Mr Bigcity wrote: | | I do not think going all in preflop their makes any sense. Instead maybe reraise once more and get it down to just 3 or 2 players and see how the flop comes. If its a favorable one for you then you wanna raise big or go all in |
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FYP |
f u |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 6:10pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 1820
WPP: 140
Location: In #flopturnriver learning from better players
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| Mr Bigcity wrote: | | bode wrote: | | kmind wrote: | | Mr Bigcity wrote: | | I do not think going all in preflop their makes any sense. Instead maybe reraise once more and get it down to just 3 or 2 players and see how the flop comes. If its a favorable one for you then you wanna raise big or go all in |
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FYP |
f u |
stfu and go rig some more competitions. And learn something about poker before giving more advice please. |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 9:04pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 11 Dec 2008
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WPP: 46
Location: Auburn
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| XxStacksxX wrote: | | Mr Bigcity wrote: | | bode wrote: | | kmind wrote: | | Mr Bigcity wrote: | | I do not think going all in preflop their makes any sense. Instead maybe reraise once more and get it down to just 3 or 2 players and see how the flop comes. If its a favorable one for you then you wanna raise big or go all in |
wat? |
FYP |
f u |
stfu and go rig some more competitions. And learn something about poker before giving more advice please. |
ok Phil Ivey |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 9:44pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
Posts: 207
WPP: 130
Location: count-n mah monies stewie-style
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| 4 bet bluffing isnt really necessary @ 50nl imo. usually a cold call in the blinds to a 3b is a high pp QQ+ |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 11:33pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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Location: Montreal
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| TwoSmeets wrote: | | i get what para is saying, it's pretty simple yah? If you're ever going to 4bet bluff in this spot, then you won't be shoving. So when you have a real hand like QQ, play it like a 4bet bluff except call the shove. |
so if u were to 4bet bluff in this spot, you would make it >25$ then fold to a shove, ya?
cool |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 12:08am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Posts: 590
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Location: tha seben oh too
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| Probably should have read the history before posting... |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 3:16am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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With reads given this is a shove
With no reads this is a shove anyway
/thread |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 10:36am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Location: Dublin
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| Massimo wrote: | With reads given this is a shove
With no reads this is a shove anyway
/thread |
lol exactly |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 4:50pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 2930
WPP: 72
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| Actually i don't think flatting is a bad play if you have some postflop reads on these guys. |
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