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Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 8:25am Post subject: QQ 100nl, 4 way flop
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Straight
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 233
WPP: 153
Location: VA USA
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This hand kinda threw me off yesterday. I thought I'd walk through my thought process and hopefully I could get some advice on it.
Info: UTG is 42/20, note says will play crap and bluff 2streets w/air, UTG+1 is 13/9, but I don't really know him well, and the MP caller is 12/9.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP1) ($109.80)
MP2 ($24.05)
MP3 ($111.65)
CO ($109.65)
Button ($18)
SB ($85.35)
BB ($100)
UTG ($201.75)
UTG+1 ($100)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q , Q
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, MP3 calls $4, 4 folds, UTG calls $3
Ok first question, I'm pretty sure this would be a bad 3 bet right? I'm torn because its an obvious raise limper spot, but its still early position.
Flop: ($17.50) 2, 10 , 2 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $12, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $12
When the raiser checks what could he have? The only things I can think of would be TT maybe he would c/call like 99 or JJ?
Turn: ($41.50) 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $20, Hero calls $20
Then he leads the turn 1/2 pot? 88 or TT? Could he play KK or AA this way?
River: ($81.50) A (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $64 (All-In), Hero easy fold here right? |
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Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 9:46am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Posts: 1340
WPP: 125
Location: Nest of Douchebags
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| If you're not going to 3bet this pf I think this is an easy river fold. His EP raise has you killed on river. JJ would be your only hope. |
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Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 12:00pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 1657
WPP: 48
Location: Gainesville
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| Probably some dumbassly played 1010. I'd fold river |
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Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 12:08pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
Posts: 353
WPP: 72
Location: Not here
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| As much as I hate putting people on specific hands this really looks like TT. |
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Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 1:36pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7722
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Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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If you dont have a note UTG is tight or a reg id 3bet this. JJ is a call Kk is an easy 3bet QQ is the middle ground, and as he is raising behind a limped id 3bet this - plus you've given us 42/20 something stats.
Add in, his line is sweet with TT he just didnt quite get his turn bet sizing right which gave you oppertunity to fold river |
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Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 1:50pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2527
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Location: Spewing
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Preflop i think calling is the lesser of two evils. The fact that one player likely to come into the pot is a donk compensates for the pot probably being multiway.
It's pretty hard to fold the turn, but I think you should. JJ isn't playing this way and it'd be quite a weird bluff that most 100nl nitty regs just aren't capable of. |
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Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 2:12pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 1657
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Location: Gainesville
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| folding the turn would be a pretty bad mistake |
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Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 2:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2527
WPP: 66
Location: Spewing
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| maybe i'm being resuts oriented but I can't see what he'd c/c, lead with here. Certainly not a bluff and I can't see him doing it for value with anything we beat except perhaps JJ (which actually I would expect him to lead the vast majority of the time) so I fold. Exploitable fold, yes. But this is 100nl and the reg is nitty and basically unknown so I don't mind being exploitable in spots where I'm not going to be exploited. |
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Posted: Wed, 03 Dec 2008, 2:59am Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
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Location: Payoff bitch
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Posted: Sat, 06 Dec 2008, 5:11am Post subject:
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High Card
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