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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 7:00pm Post subject: QJs vs. utg raiser.
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4-of-a-Kind
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villain here is a 26/20/3/41, so a pretty small sample. no reads other than preliminary stats. calling turn is the only line i can see here against a relatively unknown. and then if river blanks do we call another half pot sized bet? and at what point do we fold?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Hero ($366)
SB ($158)
BB ($200)
UTG ($302.10)
MP ($185.75)
CO ($230.45)
Preflop: Hero is Button with J , Q.
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls $8, 2 folds.
Flop: ($19) Q , T , T (2 players)
UTG bets $14, Hero calls $14.
Turn: ($47) J (2 players)
UTG bets $22, Hero.... |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 7:29pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
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| i would raise to 58 here and fold to a push. if villain bets again on river, fold. if he checks, check unless another Q or J shows up. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 2:01am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| wouterpoker wrote: | | i would raise to 58 here |
why? |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 2:15am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| call turn and shove any river |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 2:18am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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i know i ll get flamed and u don t need to do this stuff but i rly like bluffing here when it looks like villain is repping AK
btw the "smart thing to do" is... it doesn't really matter :
-lots of aggro villains will 3-barrel this here since you can't have a big hand usually if you haven't raised by the riv and you can have a ton of draws.
-u beat bluffs but with no idea of villain's 2 and 3-barrelling frequencies it's pure guesswork. A 26/20 can def be 2 barelling a FD or pure air since it's so easy to rep a big hand after raising UTG |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 2:19am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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actually
minraise the turn
my god it looks soo fking strong he'll prob just flat AK and you get to decide whether or not to shove riv after he checks |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 6:40am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| I think call and fold blank rivers. Most guys will check the river with the part of their range that we beat here. Our hand isn't that great, we only really beat AQ/KQ. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 8:49pm Post subject:
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Location: bluffing scare cards
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| I'm calling and seeing what kind of river hits. We still beat a good chunk of his range and when we river a jack we stack him {acronym Renton hates}. I think raising the turn turns our hand into a bluff and I don't really want to do that. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 9:46pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 9:54pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| okay well, just wanted to make sure this wasnt a bad call, and i ginned the shit out of him on the river with a J. he had JT |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 10:01pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| will641 wrote: | | okay well, just wanted to make sure this wasnt a bad call, and i ginned the shit out of him on the river with a J. he had JT |
LOL NH |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Apr 2008, 11:13pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Why would people wanna raise this turn? We're ahead of KQ/AQ and villain won't put you on AK ever because of preflop. So I don't think they are folding any overpair at all on this board.
Flat the turn, and probably flat the river or maaaybe sometimes fold river but I prob rarely do. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 2:21am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| i know it sounds sick but we can rep plenty of boats |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 3:00am Post subject:
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 3:06am Post subject:
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Full House
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but he's not folding AK. getting him off KK AA is real hard too.
he's betting small, so take advantage of it |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 9:10am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Genitruc wrote: | | i know it sounds sick but we can rep plenty of boats |
You can rep a lot of boats, yesss....
butttt the board is sooo huge draw heavy that any solid hand will have a hard time folding. All over pairs have better two pairs than QJ (which could be raising for value mayyybe, though doubtful).
KQ could be raising this turn with tp + OESD, and all overpairs straights are ahead of this hand.
There are two flush draws out that could be raising this turn.
There are just too many draws on this board to try getting any solid hand to fold.
Furthermore, preflop discounts a lot of boats (QQ/JJ probably not possible now) so you are repping exactly QT (which may be unlikely to be played against UTG raiser) and JT (which would also probably raise this drawy flop). So there is exactly 1 boat you are repping (QT) that wouldn't have 3-bet pre and that wouldn't raise this flop and about a million draws. So which hands will villain put us on!? |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 10:59am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | Call turn call river | |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 11:28am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Genitruc wrote: | | as in, at least 3 |
really? i count exactly 2. QT and JT. im 3 betting TT-QQ {acronym Renton hates}. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 11:39am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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quadzillas are possible and not everybody 3-bets QQ all the time vs an utg raiser
i'm pretty much joking about raising btw, the sane thing is call turn and fold riv to a big bet
but I'm pretty sure if a thinking player bet turn small with AK and got raised lots of us would be saying "hmm tough spot" if it were a posted hand. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 11:54am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| lol okay, i wasnt sure if you were joking or not. it didnt seem like something you would say, cause raising is really bad imo. |
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