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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 1:47am Post subject: probably easy situation for anyone with experience
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 1507
WPP: 134
Location: moral high ground
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($117.90)
UTG ($99.50)
Hero ($117.95)
Button ($87.50)
SB ($137.50)
Preflop: Hero is MP with K , A .
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.
Flop: ($13.50) 5, 4 , A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, Button calls $8, UTG calls $8.
Turn: ($37.50) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks,
Given flop action, is it likely that someone hit flush or does it make sense to keep betting? I've got a nice draw and tptk with that K spade, so should I just check and take the free one or is that reason to bet more? |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 3:49am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 2372
WPP: 74
Location: Here and There
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I'm checking this all day everyday. You are only beating two guys with weaker kickers with the only two other aces and the kickers have to be between 6 and q. you are behand here most of the time should be relying on another spade.
btw, bet at least 4/5ths pot on flop on this board against two opponents. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 9:00am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 3200
WPP: 95
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check. Alot of hands just caught up with you. Alot of the weaker Aces arent calling another bet and you dont want to be checkraised off a draw to the effective nuts. Also if theres a bet behind and UTG calls you can probably call anyway.
edit: Actually you probably have to call a check/raise with so little behind but youll be behind almost always when you do. |
Last edited by Pelion on Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 1:10pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 12:59pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 26 May 2007
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WPP: 116
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| Anyone else like c/f turn line here? I doubt any bet that a made flush is going to make will give us odds to draw, and aren't our implied odds out the window if we do make our hand because of the 4flush on the board? I like a c/c line if we're not putting either opponent on a made flush. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 12:59pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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I'd stick the rest in with about pot behind.
Against passive opponents I might just bet this out.
Quite often I like a check. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 2:28pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Oct 2006
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Location: San Francisco, CA
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| people that make flushes like to check turn if everyone else checked. Try to take the free card for the 2nd nuts |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 12:29am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Location: moral high ground
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Alright, so I checked the turn. Now what?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($117.90)
UTG ($99.50)
Hero ($117.95)
Button ($87.50)
SB ($137.50)
Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.
Flop: ($13.50) 5, 4, A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, Button calls $8, UTG calls $8.
Turn: ($37.50) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.
River: ($37.50) K (3 players)
UTG bets $20, |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 12:41am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 7006
WPP: 71
Location: Pwnsylvania
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| I call here getting damn near 3:1 assuming button has nothing from his turn check . |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 12:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 1507
WPP: 134
Location: moral high ground
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Thanks for all of your help so far, it helps me understand why I had the instincts I had, although I wasn't really giving it much thought at the time.
So the river call to me was easy, I agree that the call is pretty inevitable there with 3:1, and the button checking behind on the turn is a pretty good indication I am in safe territory.
However:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($117.90)
UTG ($99.50)
Hero ($117.95)
Button ($87.50)
SB ($137.50)
Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.
Flop: ($13.50) 5, 4, A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, Button calls $8, UTG calls $8.
Turn: ($37.50) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.
River: ($37.50) K (3 players)
UTG bets $20, Hero calls $20, Button raises to $75.5, UTG folds
At this point I'm thinking of the hands that beat me, of which there are many. A set, flush, even the lone deuce. The fact that the river is a king rarely helps me on the range of hands that raise like that. |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 12:53pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 3:13pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 3200
WPP: 95
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| Hes showing huge strength and you are only getting 7:5. You arent good 40% of the time against a TAG or unknown. |
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