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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 6:11pm Post subject: How do you stop this or can you? |
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Full House
Joined: 23 Apr 2004
Posts: 629
WPP: 149
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| I am getting killed in Ring and SNG's by people limping with AA, KK, AK. There isn't anyway to prevent this or recognize this unless you see a person doing this, is there? If then you recognze the person doing this your playing into his play not yours. Any Ideas! |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 6:53pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 19 May 2004
Posts: 411
WPP: 200
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| Eventually you will hit a rag 2 pair or a set against these people and take their entire stack. That being said, limping with AA/KK from EARLY position on an aggressive pre-flop table can work very nicely. I sometimes do it. |
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Posted: Tue, 29 Jun 2004, 1:30am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Posts: 1522
WPP: 82
Location: England UK
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| Also, make a player note so at least if you play them again you know not to rule out AA/KK if they all of a sudden spring to life. |
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Posted: Tue, 29 Jun 2004, 9:45am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| And you'll know not to assume they're weak if they limp in in early position. Maybe then you should limp in with AQ offsuit, and see how he reacts at the flop. |
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Posted: Tue, 29 Jun 2004, 9:46am Post subject: Limping in w AA, KK AK |
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High Card
Joined: 29 Jun 2004
Posts: 9
WPP: 109
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| Information reduction through strategy restrictions and Balancing proposed through a Turbo simulation (Abdul Salib 1999) suggests that limping-in may be beneficial in some games. The purpose is to balance the probabilities of you being put on a hand. Limping-in may be appropriate. But usually a re-raise is in order. Remember Group O and Group 1 hands are powerful in their own right. The point is to increase the pot not the chances of someone flopping a set. Be careful with this play. |
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Posted: Wed, 30 Jun 2004, 1:22am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Posts: 1522
WPP: 82
Location: England UK
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| With that said, I think a lot of these players are doing this through weak/tightness opposed to deceptivness... |
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Posted: Wed, 30 Jun 2004, 6:37am Post subject: |
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Two Pair
Joined: 03 Jun 2004
Posts: 45
WPP: 147
Location: Ontario, Canada
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My advice for how to deal with this in a SNG is never risk all your chips.
If the flop comes 2 4 8 rainbow and you've got A8 and top pair don't automatically push in or bet too big. Make a decent sized bet to test him. If he sticks around for the turn and the river then I would check the river and fold to his big raise. I basically am always aware of AA KK QQ when flops like that come because lets face it, top pair is easily beaten.
I will push in with 2 pair (cracked slow played pocket aces twice like this in a multi the other nite) and take my chances they won't trip up since I have just as good of a chance of hitting a boat. You can also bust the aces when you hit your set. My best advice is to never get too greedy and always make sure you have some chips left over to make a comeback unless you are almost certain you have him beat. I have come back from the very short stack in SNGs several times (150 or less) to place in the top 3.
J.C. |
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Posted: Wed, 30 Jun 2004, 11:48am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| Actually you have twice the chance of hitting a boat over them hitting trips, as you have 4 outs compared to their two. In this case you should be more worried about the board pairing one of the cards you don't have. Then you're screwed. |
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