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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 11:01am Post subject: Playing the Ace Kicker |
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Strike 3
Joined: 15 Apr 2004
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Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 11:25am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17119
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| This is a pretty standard bluff board for me, since it's very unlikely it hit anyone. Although in this case 87 puts out a straight draw. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 11:28am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 1887
WPP: 103
Location: Kansas City
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I have used this in heads-up a lot. It really helps. If the board pairs, I raise. I have won more pots than I lose this way. If I get re-raised, I consider folding. If someone raises to me, I consider re-raising (depending on the size of their raise)
However, I have been in a lot of games that the other player seems to be playing "what-doesn't-this-guy-have" and playing it better than I do.
I've also been caught playing that game when the other player does have something and I create his trap for him. When this happens, I usually lose pretty big. I have small blind in a SnG. It is folded to me, I raise minimum with my A7o. Big blind re-raises minimum. I feel I can bluff this guy out, so I go all in. He calls with pocket 9s. I hit an A on the turn to save my ass from this huge mistake.
In multi-player pots, I don't think I would do too much with this. If there are 4 people in the pot, the pot may be too big to consider a pot-sized stab. Again, I'm trying to weigh the many small wins with how big the losses will be. I think in multi-way pots. You would lose too much the one time you lost to make up for the wins that you had.
I welcome anyone second-guessing me. michael1123 usually has stats to back up anything. Maybe you could come up with some for this. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 11:30am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 1405
WPP: 94
Location: Carlsbad, CA
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using your example, if i'm either first to bet, or it's checked to me, i take a stab at it.
like you said, a raise back to me and i'm out, or if called and nothing hits for me on the turn, i'll check it and am out to a reasonable bet. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 11:32am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17119
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Pure bluffing into a multi-pot is almost never a good idea. Particulary with the lot I play with... |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 12:02pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 1405
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Location: Carlsbad, CA
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| Fnord wrote: | | Pure bluffing into a multi-pot is almost never a good idea. Particulary with the lot I play with... |
isn't it sklansky that repeatedly says you can't bluff people that don't know how to play? |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 12:21pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 1887
WPP: 103
Location: Kansas City
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| fishstick wrote: | | isn't it sklansky that repeatedly says you can't bluff people that don't know how to play? |
Yes, I've heard that from him before. he must have gotten it after playing a few rounds at Party Poker. 
I played at a free bar tournament.
I was delt AA in late position. This was the 30th (ish) hand of the game and I hadn't played a single hand so far. I raised big, 3 callers.
The flop came J69 rainbow. 2 checks to me. The guy behind me was reaching for chips already. I raised all-in. He quickly called. He called so quick I knew I was in for trouble. After everyone else folded he flipped over a 64o. I was amazed. He had a very crappy hand.
I caught a A on the turn to secure my win and I doubled up on him. But when bad people play 64o with a pre-flop raise, and call an all in with bottom pair under kicker, I know I'm not bluffing crap that game. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 12:25pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 1405
WPP: 94
Location: Carlsbad, CA
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| Humphrind wrote: |
I caught a A on the turn to secure my win and I doubled up on him. But when bad people play 64o with a pre-flop raise, and call an all in with bottom pair under kicker, I know I'm not bluffing crap that game. |
good lord - at least you didn't cracked.
maybe you could explain ahead of time if you did want to bluff, that way he might get it.  |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 1:56pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1064
WPP: 108
Location: San Francisco
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| Yeah, heads up I will take a stab at the pot if the board pairs like that, and maybe even if it doesn't pair. It's not a bluff if you think you have the best hand. Three-way I would do it if its checked to me or maybe if I am first to act. Any more than that in the pot and I would not try it. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 7:57pm Post subject: |
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Strike 3
Joined: 15 Apr 2004
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Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 8:04pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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In that case, I definitely fire out a bet, backing up my preflop raise. They probably don't believe you have an 8, but you could have an overpair. If they didn't hit a pair or a draw, or have an overpair as well, they're probably gone.
And the thought that you may just have an 8 tends to keep people from chasing with 2 over cards. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jun 2004, 8:13pm Post subject: |
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Strike 3
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Location: Sacramento
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