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Posted: Thu, 31 Mar 2005, 11:06pm Post subject: Bad laydown?
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Posts: 232
WPP: 110
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I wanted to slowroll this, betting out wouldnt fold the flush draw anyway.
But was i right to lay this one down? tough one I think...
***** Hand History for Game 1825407769 *****
$1/$2 Hold'em - Friday, April 01, 00:02:16 EDT 2005
Table Pool Party (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Allin_Dawg ( $16.87 )
Seat 7: paparakos ( $108.87 )
Seat 10: sweetrocio ( $84.25 )
Seat 6: The__Weave ( $17.63 )
Seat 9: AFC1716 ( $39.5 )
Seat 4: budman01 ( $54.63 )
Seat 5: Gloria266 ( $48 )
Seat 3: BunnyGrr ( $54 )
Seat 8: MarineMom777 ( $65 )
Seat 1: Madmartigan7 ( $48.5 )
Allin_Dawg posts small blind [$0.5].
BunnyGrr posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to paparakos [ Qd Kd ]
budman01 calls [$1].
The__Weave raises [$2].
paparakos calls [$2].
MarineMom777 calls [$2].
sweetrocio folds.
Madmartigan7 folds.
Allin_Dawg folds.
BunnyGrr folds.
budman01 calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 9s, Js ]
budman01 checks.
The__Weave checks.
paparakos checks.
MarineMom777 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]
budman01 bets [$2].
The__Weave raises [$4].
paparakos folds.
MarineMom777 folds.
budman01 calls [$2].
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
>You have options at Table 32990 Table!.
budman01 checks.
The__Weave bets [$2].
budman01 folds.
The__Weave does not show cards.
The__Weave wins $18.75 |
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Posted: Thu, 31 Mar 2005, 11:15pm Post subject:
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Season II
Joined: 11 May 2004
Posts: 1697
WPP: 68
Location: MI
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| If you are going to fold anywhere, fold preflop. Otherwise reraise the flop. |
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Posted: Thu, 31 Mar 2005, 11:21pm Post subject:
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Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 232
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Pre-flop: Fold to a raise with KQs?
Flop: There were many people to act after me so I thought someone might bet his flush draw. I was prepared to flop if a 3rd spade hit and saw action. Guess I got a little greedy. I kinda wanted somebody to have flopped a flush draw but miss ot on th turn and river  |
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Posted: Thu, 31 Mar 2005, 11:30pm Post subject:
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Season II
Joined: 11 May 2004
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WPP: 68
Location: MI
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Sorry, I read your post wrong, I thought you folded on the flop. I said 'If you are going to fold anywhere' (with the thought that you folded on the flop) which doesn't make sense because you folded on the turn. I think its a good fold there with 2 bets to you. You aren't going to improve your hand and you may be dominated.
PS. Try to put those in the hand converter |
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Posted: Thu, 31 Mar 2005, 11:40pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 232
WPP: 110
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| Yeah thanks I was loking for the conventer but didnt know where to find it |
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Posted: Fri, 01 Apr 2005, 12:03pm Post subject:
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Joined: 12 Jan 2005
Posts: 130
WPP: 112
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| m3laNcholy wrote: | | Pre-flop: Fold to a raise with KQs? |
Preflop: Fold or Raise. I probably fold. I hate the Cold Call with only 1 other person in already and a lot of people to act behind you.
Flop: Slowplaying your flopped nut straight with 2 suited cards in a multiway pot is a terrible mistake. With only one person to act on a scary coordinated board you have to bet out. You get Raised, you 3-bet/cap his ass. You can't really protect your hand here but you can't be giving free cards.
Turn: I can't see folding the turn even to two bets. You have the Nut straight with a flush out there. Yes you may be beat with a flush, but there's also a good chance that someone just got 2 pair with that Ace. I call the 2 bets and only think about folding if it is 2 bets back to me either on the turn or the river. |
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Posted: Fri, 01 Apr 2005, 1:10pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 3037
WPP: 95
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| I agree. That was a bad fold in my opinion. I might even reraise him on the turn. If he then reraises me back I consider folding, but probably not. I'm in this one until showdown, at which point if he has a flush I say "Hey man, nice hand. I flopped a nut straight". I think you let this guy off the hook. |
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Posted: Sat, 02 Apr 2005, 2:49am Post subject:
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Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 232
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I agree with pre flop folding or raising (tend to raise) and betting out the flop. (cant really put me on a straight so they'll pay me off anyway).
But after on the turn I think it was good to fold that.
If we assume that all goes "well" (that is I call, next guy calls 2 cold!? and first guy calls, then the raiser bets and we all call...)
I have to pay a total of 2 BB on the turn and 1 more on the river to show this down. Thats the best case and I could pay that since I am like only 95% sure that I lose...
But probably guy next to me will fold. Also first guy might 3-bet if he is the one with the flush and it it might be even 2 more back to me before the river.
You guys were right about pre-flop and flop but its a clear fold to me on the turn. If that was river I would of course call but on the turn, not really. |
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Posted: Sat, 02 Apr 2005, 2:59pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Aug 2004
Posts: 1968
WPP: 96
Location: 6max limit tables
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Preflop – I might have raised, but I guess a call from early position could be justified
Flop – you flopped a 9-K straight and checked WTF are you thinking here there is a flush draw out there you need to bet out here and hope it isolates somewhat, IMO
Turn – also I think I would bet out here especially to see if I got raised or not to gage where my hand stood, you know have a A-high straight, why not value bet the hand to see if it’s good or not? If you bet the flop and they only call and the action stays the same then I calculate my odds of having the best hand v the pot and make the play witch think would be to fold here IF you had bet the flop and got simply callers, you let those flush draws have the card to bet you for free so I can’t agree with that play, really you have to fold the turn the way it went down, IMO it looks to much like one of them has the flush…
River – (hypnotically specking) given you bet the flop and got caller and they didn’t come out firing into you like they did and you bet out got a caller a raiser you decide to obviously call the raise, the river comes a Jc which has potential to be a scary card IFF (if and only if) you the caller on the turn come out strong… but for the most part I would call a single bet on the river…
So over all I think the hand was played wrong, which forced you to make a fold that typically you don’t want to, if anyone has an opinion on what have said please tell me… |
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