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ATo, T high 2-flush flop, opp shoves over ($27)

  
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taipan168
Post Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 7:28am    Post subject: ATo, T high 2-flush flop, opp shoves over ($27) Reply with quote
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Opp's stats were 53/16/4.5 over 32 hands. How often am I up against a flush draw, missed overcards, Tx or similar rather than a set, two pair or a limped monster pair?

Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2345
UTG+1: t1550
CO: t4045
Button: t2445
SB: t1570
Hero: t1545

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A Spade T Heart
UTG calls t100 (pot was t150), 3 folds, SB calls t50 (pot was t250), Hero checks.

Flop: 2 Heart T Spade 8 Heart (t300, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t250, UTG raises to t2000, SB folds, Hero ????
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mukaka
Post Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 8:42am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'd call.. he seems like a ridiculous player and he might be doing this with hands we beat..
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oskar
Post Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 9:29am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I wonder how he played up to that point. Did he limp a lot? I don't think many players would do that with hands that have you beat. He might have a FD with overs and you're technically behind, but you probably have to call here.

I don't play many sng's lately, and not at that level. I like to push here PF usually. There's a very good chance they'll just fold, and you can add 300 chips to your stack - unless one of them plays tricky. Might very well be a leak.
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caddie444
Post Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 10:40pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think that once this flop comes, you have to go with it after your initial bet.
You're getting like 1.5:1, its a draw heavy board, and even if his shove is an overpair, as long as its not aces you're equity isn't terrible. You can't c/f this board so I like the lead bet, but b/f seems to nitty for me anyways.

Villain shows up enough with hands like QJ, flush draws, worse tens, even OESD's here to make this call +EV IMO. He rarely if ever has 2 pair here.

Oh and if he has a set, nh gg fire up another one.

In game I take the 15 seconds and call FWIW
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TLR
Post Posted: Sat, 06 Sep 2008, 2:29pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Pot preflop

As played call
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taipan168
Post Posted: Sat, 06 Sep 2008, 7:10pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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TLR wrote:
Pot preflop

As played call

If you pot preflop, means you are raising to 500, if you are called you are pretty much committed on the flop, no? If we are going to raise preflop I would rather just shove it I think.
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caddie444
Post Posted: Sat, 06 Sep 2008, 10:11pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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taipan168 wrote:
TLR wrote:
Pot preflop

As played call

If you pot preflop, means you are raising to 500, if you are called you are pretty much committed on the flop, no? If we are going to raise preflop I would rather just shove it I think.



I favor shoving than potting it pre, avoids tough decisions.
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iopq
Post Posted: Sat, 06 Sep 2008, 10:58pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As played, I call
you have TPTK Very Happy

one blind level earlier I'd fold because people generally start to get more ridiculous at about this point
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Post Posted: Sun, 07 Sep 2008, 1:22am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nothing wrong with the flop bet.

I'd probably call.
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TLR
Post Posted: Mon, 08 Sep 2008, 9:48am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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taipan168 wrote:
TLR wrote:
Pot preflop

As played call

If you pot preflop, means you are raising to 500, if you are called you are pretty much committed on the flop, no? If we are going to raise preflop I would rather just shove it I think.

Pot is 300, I meant raise it by 300, maybe 250 is better, I dont think shoving is bad, but I think you still have enough depth to raise it without pushing
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