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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 11:56am Post subject: 3bet pot IP w/ SC |
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Full House
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1145
WPP: 94
Location: KC, MO
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Villain is 17/11 over about 70 hands and has not been involved in any notable pots. He did MR me once from the BU when I raised MP and cbet a J75r flop. I let go of the hand. He buys in for 75BB if it matters. He has only 3bet once at the table & it was 3x->8x just like this time.
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($34.90)
MP ($115.10)
Hero (Button) ($196.70)
SB ($125.05)
BB ($89.75)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 6 , 7
2 folds, Hero raises $3, 1 fold, BB raises $7, Hero calls $5
Flop: ($16.50) 3 , 4 , 7 (2 players)
BB bets $13, Hero calls $13
Turn: ($42.50) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($42.50) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $68.75 (All-In), Hero calls $68.75
Total pot: $180
How'd I do? |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 12:02pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 04 Jul 2006
Posts: 4862
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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| what street wanted to make you post this hand? |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 12:05pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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Location: KC, MO
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 12:17pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 04 Jul 2006
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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really
I think the turn is the most interesting street |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 12:19pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 3605
WPP: 61
Location: TAGfishery
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| um, perfect? i dont really know how else to play it better. |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 12:22pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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Pre seems standard as hell to me. In position, probably tight re-raising range for this guy, probably can't let go of overpairs post-flop... definitely call and take a frop. Pity he's not full stackin', but close enough.
I often bet this turn. The board is too dangerous for him to be slowplaying a monster, unless he's really awful. If he has an overpair I don't mind betting there to set up the river bluff, or to get a big pot going for when we hit a 7/two pair/our gutterball. But I'm not married to it - I'd like to hear arguments for checking behind. Are we thinking that his range is probably scared overpairs and overcards, and vs. that range we don't mind letting a card peel and trying to get to showdown..? |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 12:32pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1145
WPP: 94
Location: KC, MO
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| bigspenda73 wrote: | really
I think the turn is the most interesting street |
Really, do you think this is a bet? What am I folding out that I don't have beat already?
To everyone else, sorry if this is remedial. This is outside my comfort zone hence posting the hand. I don't usually call 3bets w/ SCs even IP unless I'm offered great odds(not often). I put him on a high PP or AK given his 3bet frequency. I figure the turn for an attempted CR.
I should have included my image in the OP. My image had been pretty aggro(running 28/23/3, A2S at 50+, 3bet 13%. |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 12:43pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 3605
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Location: TAGfishery
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| dalecooper wrote: | | Are we thinking that his range is probably scared overpairs and overcards, and vs. that range we don't mind letting a card peel and trying to get to showdown..? |
this also looks like a missed c/rai w/ an overpair and that is another good reason why we (i) don't really see much merit in betting the turn. we are either beat or hes drawing to 6 outs and im fine giving a free card given our relative hand strength. |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 12:46pm Post subject: |
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Life Donk
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
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Location: Having a J. Arthur
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Looks good to me.
Though I don't think he has an overpair often when he checks the turn, if he does then he's not intending to fold it unless the worst of the worst river card falls and maybe not even then considering your aggro image.
We could bet for protection I guess but it'd suck pretty bad to get c/red. |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 4:10pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
Posts: 1893
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Location: MOAR BETTAR
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 12:22am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Location: Deventer
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I still haven't got straight wether to bet or check behind when having a pair on the turn in a 3bet pot, and villain likely having overcards, and some overpairs going for a c/r.
In this particular hand we have a gutshot as well, so checking behind seems better. But with a lone pair, I usually bet. We never get called by worse, but checking behind just gives a free card to overcards.
With my villains almost never calling A high on the river, and me not hero calling bets on A/K/Q rivers, it seems checking behind on the turn does nothing but giving a free card? |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 6:36am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1145
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Location: KC, MO
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| I will float with a low pair sometimes, but I get confused on what amount to bet when the villain appears to have given up on his AK? $25 sounds about right to me, but WTF do I know. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 8:15am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Absurdly standard.
Hands like this make me lots of monies. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 8:25am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3198
WPP: 86
Location: Dublin
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| totally standard imo. i dont like betting turn at all. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 8:33am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17621
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Da GOAT wrote: | | i dont like betting turn at all. |
It depends. Against some folks it's a very easy bet. Against others it's a sometimes bet because they're not going to get free cards from me. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 9:44am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1145
WPP: 94
Location: KC, MO
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Thanks everyone for the input.
Villain had 99 for the turned set and I got coolered. After the first few posts I was sure I posted this too soon after it happened and I didn't have time to gain perspective on the hand. Although it kept nagging at me that I wouldn't have even been in the situation had I not called the 3bet(kinda like calling a TAG w/ KJo). I see how results oriented that is now. |
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Posted: Sat, 06 Sep 2008, 4:08pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
Posts: 1137
WPP: 147
Location: Duluth, MN
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Preflop: 88+/AQ
With 16:1 implied odds and 3:1 pot odds in position, calling is definitely fine.
Flop: JJ-AA/AQ/sometimes 88-TT
There is little implied odds value, so we are mostly calling because we think he is cbetting overcards more often than overpairs he is felting. We also call here to sometimes fold out 88-TT by bluffing on a later street.
Turn: AQ/occasional slowplayed/passive JJ-AA/sometimes 88-TT
WA/WB, no reason to bet.
River: occasional slowplayed JJ-AA/occasional bluff
Clearly an easy call.
I don't see how we can give BB a much wider range since it's 100NL and our opponent has only 3bet once in the last 70 hands. It seems likely this opponent doesn't 3bet a wide range. |
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