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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 12:47am Post subject: delete please |
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Two Pair
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Posts: 26
WPP: 98
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delete please, no information is needed 
thanks guys ! |
Last edited by GahGah604 on Mon, 22 Sep 2008, 4:38pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 2:17am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 10 Aug 2007
Posts: 1999
WPP: 70
Location: the ether
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you play bad - but no need to give up. Learn from it.
ok. some reads please - it is live after all. You#re only playing one table.
how did he get his #uber-stack#?
you#re betting $20 into $50ish on the flop - why?
55, 77 and JJ are all likely to be in his range - you are likely not good enough for these hands to be in your range and he likely knows it.
You#re pushing a flush draw on a paired board, villain is looking like a hand that has you drawing dead.
what is your bet trying to achieve? you#re not folding any better hands.
also, why are you playing 75bb deep? there#s nothing wrong with doing so, as long as you understand the required differences in strategy and play vs being 100bb deep |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 4:22am Post subject: |
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Two Pair
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Posts: 26
WPP: 98
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| daven wrote: | you play bad - but no need to give up. Learn from it.
ok. some reads please - it is live after all. You#re only playing one table.
how did he get his #uber-stack#?
you#re betting $20 into $50ish on the flop - why?
55, 77 and JJ are all likely to be in his range - you are likely not good enough for these hands to be in your range and he likely knows it.
You#re pushing a flush draw on a paired board, villain is looking like a hand that has you drawing dead.
what is your bet trying to achieve? you#re not folding any better hands.
also, why are you playing 75bb deep? there#s nothing wrong with doing so, as long as you understand the required differences in strategy and play vs being 100bb deep |
I did not know how he got his uber stack, I just arrived at the table,this was my 4th hand in.
how should I have bet into that pot if not $20 on the flop ?
How could I put him on JJ when he didn't raise preflop, and only called my raise of $15 only after he limped ?
small pocket pairs hmmmm maybe, I read that this guy would have raised pre-flop if he had any small pocket pairs.
playing 75BB deep you just gotta know when to push your chips in... not really that much difference in play as 100BB deep. |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 7:00am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1001
WPP: 59
Location: NS, Canada
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you made a few mistakes in this hand.
1, 75BB buy-in is a joke in these soft 1/2 NL live games.
2, 6 limpers, you only raised up to funny $15 preflop???? at least $25 to go.
3, i dont even bother to c-BET on the flop vs two loose opponents in live games.
4, why did you push on the turn vs a monster stack????
i suggest you to play a little bit passive when you miss your hand and push your edge to the maximum when you hit it in live games. |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 8:25am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 04 Jul 2006
Posts: 4862
WPP: 82
Location: Pwnsylvania
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| Why didn't you buy-in for more after you busted $150? |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 9:15am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 2260
WPP: 57
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your fault for not raising enough preflop
raise 4xBB + 1BB per limper
that comes to 10BB - 20 dollars
and then again your fault for going all in drawing dead |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 3:43pm Post subject: |
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Two Pair
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Posts: 26
WPP: 98
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| iopq wrote: | your fault for not raising enough preflop
raise 4xBB + 1BB per limper
that comes to 10BB - 20 dollars
and then again your fault for going all in drawing dead |
I wasn't drawing dead... I hit my nut flush on the river after I went all in ! 9/10 I would have won that hand. How would I put uber stack on anything better then that ? Would you be able to read that he called your $15 raise with 7/5 offsuit ?
I know I may have played the hand not by the book, but I was following a hunch I had. He got lucky plain and simple... I got my money in good pretty think. I just can't see how anyone would have put him on a full house ? |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 4:26pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Posts: 757
WPP: 114
Location: Santa Cruz
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| Raise more pf, cbet bigger, shove turn. reload when busted and get it back eventually. |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 4:41pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 788
WPP: 149
Location: In #flopturnriver learning from better players
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| GahGah604 wrote: | | He got lucky plain and simple... I got my money in good pretty think. |
[ ] Money in good.
The fact of the matter is simple. You didn't play the hand all that well and that has been pointed out. Anyways, you probably would have went broke had you got to the river anyways. It happens. Reload and take it back. Leave and cool down. Whatever you do, whining here probably isn't your best bet. Good luck though  . |
Last edited by XxStacksxX on Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 7:14pm; edited 2 times in total
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 5:06pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1001
WPP: 59
Location: NS, Canada
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as i said above, passive play is definitely not a bad thing vs a few loose aggressive opponents in live games when you miss your hand. Actually, I rarely pushed casino donks around whenever i didnt hit cards very well. However, i often took them to value town much more fiercely than anyone else in my local casino. Meh, $15 preflop raise vs 6 limpers means nothing in 1/2 NL live games these days.
As played, you 've got to stack off on the river for sure. |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 6:16pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2421
WPP: 66
Location: Spewing
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| GahGah604 wrote: | | 9/10 I would have won that hand. |
| XxStacksxX wrote: | | |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 6:30pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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WPP: 72
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yo, preflop is fine, same as flop. Turn is kinda bad. You have to look at hands and make conjectures about what the best play is by discussing with other people.
he had 75... ok thats one hand in his range. what other hands do you think are in his range? |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Aug 2008, 6:40pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jul 2007
Posts: 1328
WPP: 87
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| GahGah604 wrote: | I did not know how he got his uber stack, I just arrived at the table,this was my 4th hand in.
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small pocket pairs hmmmm maybe, I read that this guy would have raised pre-flop if he had any small pocket pairs. |
You read that from his face? His soul? That's one helluva read to have 4 hands in given that limp/calling pocket pairs is like the most common thing that anyone does with them live. |
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Posted: Fri, 22 Aug 2008, 6:49am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
Posts: 103
WPP: 222
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GahGah604, you posted this for: a) just to whine, or b) to get advice.
If it's a)- while it's not a bad beat, there is a special section for bad beats.
If it's b)- here are the problems in your thinking:
| GahGah604 wrote: |
I wasn't drawing dead... I hit my nut flush on the river after I went all in ! 9/10 I would have won that hand. |
yea but you didnt think that by shoving you fold out all hands that you beat, and have MAYBE 9outs(8 really) to improve, IF you arent worried about a set or trips which you should be. So while you think that 9/10 you are winning, keep in mind that you're only going to hit that hand something like 1.6/10.
Also notice you said "after i went all in", which is pretty much same as saying "I sucked out". So if you admit youve sucked out, why be so happy about getting your money in bad?
| Quote: | | He got lucky plain and simple |
first- no he didnt.
second- this is the kind of thinking that will prevent you from learning how to play this game. The sooner you lose it, the sooner you will start learning. |
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Posted: Fri, 22 Aug 2008, 2:59pm Post subject: |
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Two Pair
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Posts: 26
WPP: 98
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| BigBadBull wrote: | GahGah604, you posted this for: a) just to whine, or b) to get advice.
If it's a)- while it's not a bad beat, there is a special section for bad beats.
If it's b)- here are the problems in your thinking:
| GahGah604 wrote: |
I wasn't drawing dead... I hit my nut flush on the river after I went all in ! 9/10 I would have won that hand. |
yea but you didnt think that by shoving you fold out all hands that you beat, and have MAYBE 9outs(8 really) to improve, IF you arent worried about a set or trips which you should be. So while you think that 9/10 you are winning, keep in mind that you're only going to hit that hand something like 1.6/10.
Also notice you said "after i went all in", which is pretty much same as saying "I sucked out". So if you admit youve sucked out, why be so happy about getting your money in bad?
| Quote: | | He got lucky plain and simple |
first- no he didnt.
second- this is the kind of thinking that will prevent you from learning how to play this game. The sooner you lose it, the sooner you will start learning. |
I just meant he got lucky going in against A/K suited with his 7/5 offsuit preflop, I was a 65% favourite. Second he got lucky making his full house from that hand and winning over my nut flush. I know what your saying though.
How do you think I should have played that hand ?
A/K suited vs 7/5 offsuit ?
I buy in for my usual $150 at my local casino $1/$2 NL
My fourth hand I pick up Ad/Kd on the button.. I raise $15 dollars (6 limpers)
Uber stack (about $1800) calls, and one other guy calls.
flop 7s 5d jh first guy checks, uber stack checks, I raise $20
First guy folds, Uber stack calls (uber check blind)
Turn brings 7d... I push all in (about $120 in my stack) with my nut flush draw. I am trying to put him on a hand that he would call my pre-flop raise with, I can't... I figure he has a jack at best.
Uber stack calls my all in bet and the river brings the Jd ! (I make my nut flush, he turns over his 7/5 full house (sevens full of jacks) |
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Posted: Fri, 22 Aug 2008, 4:28pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3370
WPP: 71
Location: over there
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| 5 out of 5 from me anyway. |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Aug 2008, 2:26pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 1894
WPP: 101
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| Irisheyes wrote: | | 5 out of 5 from me anyway. |
lol |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Aug 2008, 5:15pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Posts: 174
WPP: 129
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| bigspenda73 wrote: | | Why didn't you buy-in for more after you busted $150? |
this |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Aug 2008, 12:00pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 1320
WPP: 94
Location: Washington, D.C.
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| BigBadBull wrote: | GahGah604, you posted this for: a) just to whine, or b) to get advice.
If it's a)- while it's not a bad beat, there is a special section for bad beats.
If it's b)- here are the problems in your thinking:
| GahGah604 wrote: |
I wasn't drawing dead... I hit my nut flush on the river after I went all in ! 9/10 I would have won that hand. |
yea but you didnt think that by shoving you fold out all hands that you beat, and have MAYBE 9outs(8 really) to improve, IF you arent worried about a set or trips which you should be. So while you think that 9/10 you are winning, keep in mind that you're only going to hit that hand something like 1.6/10.
Also notice you said "after i went all in", which is pretty much same as saying "I sucked out". So if you admit youve sucked out, why be so happy about getting your money in bad?
| Quote: | | He got lucky plain and simple |
first- no he didnt.
second- this is the kind of thinking that will prevent you from learning how to play this game. The sooner you lose it, the sooner you will start learning. |
best post i've read in a long time. |
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Posted: Wed, 03 Sep 2008, 11:57am Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
Posts: 16
WPP: 61
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| Well I am going to say this only because i have learned that with 6 limpers with AK you will still get 2/3 callers with a raise. you don't really want to see a raised pot with 4 people with AK imo. I would have probably limped also to see a flop and played it from there. |
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Posted: Wed, 03 Sep 2008, 8:51pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 2260
WPP: 57
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| sethmundy wrote: | | Well I am going to say this only because i have learned that with 6 limpers with AK you will still get 2/3 callers with a raise. you don't really want to see a raised pot with 4 people with AK imo. I would have probably limped also to see a flop and played it from there. | F-, see me after class |
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Posted: Wed, 03 Sep 2008, 9:10pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 05 Apr 2007
Posts: 113
WPP: 73
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| sethmundy wrote: | | Well I am going to say t1his only because i have learned that with 6 limpers with AK you will still get 2/3 callers with a raise. you don't really want to see a raised pot with 4 people with AK imo. I would have probably limped also to see a flop and played it from there. |
It is fundamental poker to raise this pre-flop, and raise it aggressively. Chances are very good you have the best hand right now... Though you will likely get a few callers, you have the strongest pre-flop drawing hand there is. In other words, get some monies in tha pot!
Limping =  |
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