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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 5:03am Post subject: Sanity Check plz after a long session
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4-of-a-Kind
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I’m too tired to tell just how good/bad this is right now so figured I’d slap it on the forum
Villain is an aggro reg, not the best but def not the worst. Something like 29/20/3 and we have history of playing lots of big pots ; I’ve definitely bluffed this spot before, but I’ve also stacked him a couple times with the nuts.
River is ¾ of a buyin more for him to call. He INSTA bet fwiw. This might make the play really good or bad based on what we think the quick action means…
Seat 1: Jon040124 (£500.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Chavinder (£99.75 in chips)
Seat 3: eothain1 (£30.32 in chips)
Seat 4: HERO (£314.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Vacum (£81.49 in chips)
Seat 6: goalshow2 (£211.75 in chips)
eothain1: posts small blind £1
HERO: posts big blind £2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO  
Vacum: folds
goalshow2: folds
Jon040124: raises to £7
Chavinder: folds
eothain1: folds
HERO: calls £5
----- FLOP -----   
HERO: bets £14
Jon040124: calls £14
----- TURN ----- 
HERO: bets £41
Jon040124: calls £41
----- RIVER ----- 
HERO: checks
Jon040124: bets £100
HERO: raises to £252.05 and is all-in |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 5:19am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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What are you putting him on?
Not a big fan of your flop donk on an action flop like this. It just screams weakness.
I like a c/r or c/c. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 10:12am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: practicing mindfulness
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| Fnord wrote: | Not a big fan of your flop donk on an action flop like this. It just screams weakness.
I like a c/r or c/c. | |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 10:54am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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huh?
what flops do you guys like leading?
fwiw my flop leading range here is all monsters and air... this time i have a monster
if i cr and get called, I feel like the turn doesn't play so well - I'm hoping to get raised on this flop and gambool.
My question was mainly the river... |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 11:03am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Yeah I'm confused too, I think it looks weak if people donk out on a 822 rainbow flop, but when we donk out this flop it looks pretty strong because there's tons of hands we can credibly represent, including straights, TT, KQ, and combo draws.
I don't really get the river, do you think he's going for thin value with AQ or something? So easy for him to have trips here. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 11:07am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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I just feel like your average player is cbetting this flop 99% of the time so if you have a big hand you're losing a little value from underpairs and sc's by donking. And c/r'ing gets more money in the pot when it's big hand vs. big hand.
But admittedly, I'm an infrequent donkbettor. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 1:15pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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so u think it s a snap call if he has AK or KJ?
that was kind of my question |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 1:41pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Genitruc wrote: | | so u think it s a snap call if he has AK or KJ? |
not snap but yeah |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 2:14pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| putting me on busted hearts going for the bluff CR obv... |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 2:15pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| btw doesn't check-calling suck on this flop since i wanna build a pot? |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 2:32pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Genitruc wrote: | | btw doesn't check-calling suck on this flop since i wanna build a pot? |
I prefer a c/r but more for fold equity reasons (immediately or on any turn) than to build a pot. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 2:35pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| problem is you might not be c/r a straight on this river since the board paired |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 3:49pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Don't ever bluff this guy. If you think he's even thinking of folding a K or even AQ for that matter, lol
C/r is good to use ppl's aggression against them, and it could be the right play on flop or turn against this nutso. But doing it on the river against him is burning money.
edit: Unless u have some reads that he raises donkbets a lot or something, but I don't think he does it if he has like AQ/AK here. Much prefer a c/c or c/r too. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 4:00pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
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| i don't think this is bad as long as you think he's capable of making a semi big fold sometimes |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 6:46pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Why did you choose to c/r him (at which point he's even more committed) as opposed to firing a third barrel?
I think I prefer barreling to c/r'ing.
I agree with Alex, he's not folding here and he's getting too good odds I think. I'd only do this deeper, but with stacks I'd barrel or give up, pending on my read. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 8:15pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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i didn t barrel cuz all the big draws missed so if he were looking to call me down with AQ or Kx I don t see him folding
My problem was i didn t see him having a boat and I thought anybody who can read hands would have to put me on tens full or KQ and fold AK KJ |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 8:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| also thx for the read alex |
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