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Posted: Fri, 15 Aug 2008, 10:51am Post subject: What am I doing
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4-of-a-Kind
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Can't locate the hand history, so this is the close approximation. It's 50 NL on Full Tilt. Villain is TAggy but verging on unknown due to small sample size. He's 3-bet twice before in like 50 hands. Effective stacks are $70 (140 BBs). Questions: 1. too loose to be continuing after his 3-bet here? 2. Bet the turn or check behind with my megadraw?
I am dealt   in the CO.
Preflop: folds to me, hero raises to 1.50, button calls, SB folds, villain in the BB 3-bets to 5.00, hero calls, button folds.
(11.75) Flop:   
Villain bets 7.50, hero calls.
(26.75) Turn: 
Villain checks, hero..? |
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Posted: Fri, 15 Aug 2008, 10:59am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Posted: Fri, 15 Aug 2008, 12:03pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
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Location: practicing mindfulness
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| fold pre, raise flop, bet turn |
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Posted: Fri, 15 Aug 2008, 4:37pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Location: Deventer
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| Zook, are you checking behind or betting turn when our flop raise get's called? |
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Posted: Fri, 15 Aug 2008, 4:45pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
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Location: practicing mindfulness
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| minSim wrote: | | Zook, are you checking behind or betting turn when our flop raise get's called? |
shoving turn with the additional outs |
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Posted: Fri, 15 Aug 2008, 9:52pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Arlington, VA
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Fold preflop.
Checking behind and betting the river when checked to credibly represents a pot control play with a hand like A-Q or K-Q, and avoids a check-raise when he has a hand. If he checks to you twice, he probably only has a really weak bluff-catcher and won't call often at all. I'm not sure if he's thinking this way, though, so maybe you should just semi-bluff the turn. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 12:38am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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Location: Gainesville
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| i really do not like a flop raise and am 50/50 about betting the turn. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 8:27am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 06 Apr 2008
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Location: North West UK
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| i would make that ambigous $16-20 turn bet, try and take it, but it's like dsaxton said: is this a guy who would respect pot control plays with hands like AQ? if so check/decent bet is best |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 8:37am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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Deanglow, what are your thoughts on a flop raise? I didn't like it either, but I'm finding it hard to articulate why now. Maybe because I think he continues/3-bets with some really strong hands (big pairs, AdKd) that make up a lot of his range anyway, and folds hands that I could probably just bet out on the turn..?
| parislad wrote: | | i would make that ambigous $16-20 turn bet, try and take it, but it's like dsaxton said: is this a guy who would respect pot control plays with hands like AQ? if so check/decent bet is best |
Yeah, I wish I knew. My feeling is that not enough players at 50 NL respect or understand pot control plays - they just see weakness and go into attack mode. Even a lot of somewhat decent TAggs are like that. Going on that possibly-wrong generalization, I made an $18 bet (knowing I was coming close to pot-committing myself), and luckily he folded. |
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Posted: Sat, 16 Aug 2008, 4:32pm Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 06 Apr 2008
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WPP: 77
Location: North West UK
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yea ive played that level a while now and would agree with your generalisation-pot control slips most their minds
i know one of poker's most overused cliches is that 'this is a situational game' but as a rule of thumb, and especially with the aggressive nature of the game now, don't you think that you have to have pretty solid reasons not to semi bluff in a spot like this unless given clear reasons not to? opposition welcomed |
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