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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 4:52am Post subject: Overall loss with pairs normal?
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One Pair
Joined: 01 Aug 2008
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So I resently bought PT3, and in the stats it says that I overall lost about $400 on paired hands.
I have played 25nl, 10nl and now mostly 5nl.
My guess is that its not normal but just a big leak. I already looked over some hands and it seems i sometimes loose big with TPTK witch I raised preflop.
This is over 8K hands only btw.
So is it realy a leak or is everbody loosing money with pairs in the longterm? |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 5:08am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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Location: In #flopturnriver learning from better players
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| ... Do you mean that you are losing with Pocket Pairs or with your final hand being a pair? |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 7:05am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| I mean with my final hands |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 7:51am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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Location: In #flopturnriver learning from better players
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| Well I would tell ya, however, today I had to reformat and lost my entire database which sucks. So idk. Someone will be able to tell ya though. |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 9:20am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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Yeah, very normal.
Dont forget, it doesnt just count hands you showdown in the tally, but all hands your holecards did/would have paired. |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 10:18am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 27 May 2008
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| You have to be careful with just a pair. TPTK is a strong hand but it's vulnerable. Try not to play big pot poker with paired up flops... but obviously it doesn't work out at times and you end up losing money in the long run. |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 1:11pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
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| You should be losing when your final hand was 1 pair. Consider you have 72 and the board comes AKQJ2. Your final hand was 1 pair. |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 1:22pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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Yeah that's normal dude, I've never seen anyone with PT stats showing high card/one pair as a winner. For the reasons mentioned above.
If your three of a kind is a loser you might wanna look into that... |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Aug 2008, 1:26pm Post subject: Re: Overall loss with pairs normal?
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Full House
Joined: 26 Sep 2006
Posts: 687
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Location: nitting some balla sleeves
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| Cardsharp wrote: | So I resently bought PT3, and in the stats it says that I overall lost about $400 on paired hands.
I have played 25nl, 10nl and now mostly 5nl.
My guess is that its not normal but just a big leak. I already looked over some hands and it seems i sometimes loose big with TPTK witch I raised preflop.
This is over 8K hands only btw.
So is it realy a leak or is everbody loosing money with pairs in the longterm? |
noobie 2cents....
1) 8K hands for this kind of stat is meaningless -- and could be harmful if you get twisted and change your play jus cause you think it's relevant. But I get the sense you already vibe this...
2) Take a closer look at the TPTK hands where you lost big. When in the hand did you lose? When did you get the money in? What I mean is... a) you put a 30bb shortie all in on the flop w/ AQ on a Q83 board, and he shows KJ to win on a rivered king or b) you play 100bb deep by betting all 3 streets OOP into a calling station w/ AK on a KQT78 monochrome not-your-suit board and lose to a flopped straight or flush. One is money-in-good, the other is donkalicious. But they both show up as losses.
3) And yeah... take a look at exactly what stat your looking at. If you filter by "WTSD" you'll iso only the hands you stayed in (checking, calling, betting...) w/ TPTK and that sh!ts behavioral... if you don't do that, you got spoonie's point that you could be looking at sh!t you folded and would have spiked 1 pair by the river, which is meaningless. |
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Posted: Thu, 14 Aug 2008, 7:01pm Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 29 Jul 2008
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| 8k is not a big enough sample size to tell anything. Ive had 50k breakeven stretches in my database which currently has close to 1million hands in it. |
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