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Posted: Mon, 02 Jun 2008, 5:30pm Post subject: Smells like a continuation bet |
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Straight
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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WPP: 61
Location: UCLA
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I was BB and the button raised 3x. I thought he was stealing from position, and i had 9Js so i decided to call and see what the flop would bring.
Didn't really have a read on villain. He was chip leader and on the button. 180 entrants and we were around the bubble. My stack was 2nd or 3rd place in chips
Flop was 348 rainbow.
He probably had AJ+ or a pocket pair. The pot was around 1100 and he fired in 700 after the flop came out. I reluctantly folded because i really thought he had AK or AQ, and that a 3x re-raise would get him off his hand.
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jun 2008, 10:04pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 10 Aug 2007
Posts: 1999
WPP: 70
Location: the ether
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fold pre - you're deep in chips, not in blind trouble and have little to gain by seeing a flop.
If you are going to defend with 9Js then 3-bet pre. If you insist on defending by calling, then bet the flop! |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jun 2008, 11:50pm Post subject: Re: Smells like a continuation bet |
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Straight
Joined: 02 Aug 2005
Posts: 186
WPP: 66
Location: Sweden
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| AFchung wrote: | I was BB and the button raised 3x. I thought he was stealing from position, and i had 9Js so i decided to call and see what the flop would bring.
Didn't really have a read on villain. He was chip leader and on the button. 180 entrants and we were around the bubble. My stack was 2nd or 3rd place in chips
Flop was 348 rainbow.
He probably had AJ+ or a pocket pair. The pot was around 1100 and he fired in 700 after the flop came out. I reluctantly folded because i really thought he had AK or AQ, and that a 3x re-raise would get him off his hand.
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It's not stealing if you put him on AJ+/PP. It's more a nitty button raise and in that case the play is to fold. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Jun 2008, 6:30am Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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WPP: 61
Location: UCLA
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| daven wrote: | fold pre - you're deep in chips, not in blind trouble and have little to gain by seeing a flop.
If you are going to defend with 9Js then 3-bet pre. If you insist on defending by calling, then bet the flop! |
right, i should've folded pre. stupid me 
it gets frustrating to get your blind stolen over and over by the same guy |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Jun 2008, 4:54pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| Calling PF and folding the flop to a c-bet is about the worst possible way to take a stand v's a chronic blind stealer, DUCY? |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Jun 2008, 3:37pm Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| If you knew that this v was a chronic blind stealer then you should have miniumum raised him or folded. If he re-raised you he probably has a hand, if he flat calls then he was probably trying to steal your blinds. This all depends on the aggresiveness of the player. |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Jun 2008, 6:20pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 17 Aug 2007
Posts: 1395
WPP: 142
Location: GA
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| Looming wrote: | | If you knew that this v was a chronic blind stealer then you should have miniumum raised him or folded. If he re-raised you he probably has a hand, if he flat calls then he was probably trying to steal your blinds. This all depends on the aggresiveness of the player. |
I agree, except the min-raise. Why not fire a real rr preflop? He'll probably fold all but his premium hands. If you min-raise, he can call correctly with almost anything he tried to steal with.
Defending the blinds means rr'ing, not calling. Calling a blind steal invites him to fire a big cbet or just shove after you check the flop. You can try a stop-and-go, but that's probably just fancy-play syndrome.
And if you don't like rr'ing pre with J9s, then fold. Folks have already mentioned the benefits of that course of action. |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Jun 2008, 6:48pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Location: Richmond, VA
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No offense, but I disagree Robb. Defending the blinds can mean calling with the intention of taking it down postflop. I guess a preflop float. Anyways, yeah you can throw more air into your 3betting range but there are also a lot of hands that hit well on flops and you can value bet, semibluff or just completely bluff him a lot. The whole 3betting depends on his calling 3bet range as opposed to his actual 3betting range. You'll find some who fold like 95% of the time in this situation and others who call 100%. By calling pre we allow for a wider range to reach the flop and he'll most likely fire his entire range on the flop when checked too so we can c/r pretty safely or in cases just c/c. We get an extra bet this way, plus we still have the option of bluff 3betting him later with hands we don't want to call with.
EDIT: I am really really dumb. Anyways, thought this was just a regular ring game. If eff. stacks are shallow just fold. |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Jun 2008, 6:56pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 17 Aug 2007
Posts: 1395
WPP: 142
Location: GA
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| kmind wrote: | | No offense, but I disagree Robb. |
Never any taken. I suck at poker, and lots of times I'm wrong.
| kmind wrote: | | EDIT: I am really really dumb. Anyways, thought this was just a regular ring game. If eff. stacks are shallow just fold. |
This is true, but J9s is fine if we're deep enough, and hero's near the chip lead. J9s will rarely be dominated. Might be okay AGAINST THE RIGHT VILLAIN to rr him big and try a resteal. Villain's near the bubble and might not want to gamble. It would depend on how weak-tight he's played the last few hands.
DEFINITELY is almost never wrong to just fold pre, here. |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Jun 2008, 9:15pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 1837
WPP: 67
Location: Richmond, VA
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| Yeah man you are right. I completely didn't read enough of the OP. Thought it was like a 100bb deep hand. |
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