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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 10:44am Post subject: I lose lotsa money playing HU |
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jul 2007
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WPP: 88
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Definitely not the first 3-bet from this villain, though his flop strength led me to believe he had something here...at least a pair. I've been my usual aggro self, raising almost every button, c-betting lots etc...
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (2 handed) Ultimate-Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
BB ($78)
Hero ($167.30)
Preflop: Hero is Button with  ,  .
Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.
Flop: ($24)  ,  ,  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, BB pushes Hero...? |
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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 11:14am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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Location: at your tables, calling your bets
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Call of course, what range could he possibly have here that you don't have odds to call?
Fold preflop and I hate raising 4x as your standard if you're raising most buttons and getting 3-bet a lot. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 12:15pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 2:16pm Post subject: |
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Flush
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Location: On Tony Romo's nuts
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| Just because you are playing HU doesn't mean you have to play crappy aces in 3 bet pots. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 4:28pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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Yeah I'm a FR donk who's trying to adapt to looser HU games.
Why only 3x? Enough to get the job done in deepstack HU?
So what is an 'acceptable' 3-bet calling range in this spot vs a villain who's 3-betting maybe 1/5th of your PFRs? AJ+? |
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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 4:39pm Post subject: |
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Flush
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Location: On Tony Romo's nuts
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| Keeps the pot small so your bluffs are cheaper and encourages BB to play out of position. I think the main reason for raising 4x + in fr and 6 max is for isolation and that's kind of automatic in HU. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 4:50pm Post subject: |
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Flush
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I'm not saying you have to have a tight range of calling a three bet either. I just chose hands that aren't as dominated as A x offsuit. If he is three betting a ton you could call with suited connectors, pairs, strong aces, and KQ.
Also if he is 3 betting you too much start mixing in small 4 bet bluffs and/or tighten up a little on the button. |
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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 5:35pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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Thanks pankfish, mucho food for thought.
These HU games are fun  |
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Posted: Tue, 27 May 2008, 4:46pm Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
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calling this 3bet w A8o is total spew.
on flop i don't understand how you could ever think of anything but calling your getting like 2:1. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 May 2008, 6:45am Post subject: |
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Full House
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Location: Nest of Douchebags
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| mcatdog wrote: | Call of course, what range could he possibly have here that you don't have odds to call?
Fold preflop and I hate raising 4x as your standard if you're raising most buttons and getting 3-bet a lot. |
I agree.
Also, I hate pf calls with this kind of hand. Raise or fold imo |
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Posted: Thu, 29 May 2008, 7:22am Post subject: |
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Full House
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*waits for another person to tell me that my preflop call was bad*
Ok, ok, I'm a HU donk, I get it.
What factors to people use to determine whether or not to 4-bet / call / fold?
If someone's 3-betting a little light, is it better just to 4-bet more when you're OOP, and call more IP? Would you ever call 3-bets with hands like AJ (and why?), or is it also too easily dominated? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 May 2008, 8:14am Post subject: |
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Full House
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This is something I'm looking for advice on as well.
I think for folding/raising it's simply a matter of determining his pf raise ranges and whether you're behind or ahead.
For calling, I'm starting to realize I may be calling with too many hands that I should insert into the above paragraph, fold or raise. I think hands that you should call with are drawing hands like suited connectors and possibly small pairs.
I want to hear advice from people who aren't dumb at poker like me. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 May 2008, 9:46pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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dozer, villain has to be 3betting like 15%+ to make this profitable with 100 bb stakcs
u hit gin now get it in |
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Posted: Sat, 12 Jul 2008, 1:37am Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Location: Toronto
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| sauce123 wrote: | dozer, villain has to be 3betting like 15%+ to make this profitable with 100 bb stakcs
u hit gin now get it in |
Sauce care to elaborate why V needs to be 3betting around 15% of the time to make this +ev? |
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Posted: Sat, 12 Jul 2008, 8:17am Post subject: |
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Full House
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| sweetlemon69 wrote: | | sauce123 wrote: | dozer, villain has to be 3betting like 15%+ to make this profitable with 100 bb stakcs
u hit gin now get it in |
Sauce care to elaborate why V needs to be 3betting around 15% of the time to make this +ev? |
I'll take a stab:
If v is 3-betting that loose, then A8 actually plays well against that wide of a range. But since most villain's 3-betting range isn't that wide, A8 doesn't play profitably against the typically tighter range given how badly it's often dominated.
I learned a lot from this thread, and from playing a bunch more.
Despite people having wider ranges, they're not usually AS wide as I originally assumed... |
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