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Posted: Mon, 26 May 2008, 11:43pm Post subject: The Accumulation Of A Stack Early... |
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Flush
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 397
WPP: 116
Location: ...University Of Pittsburgh...
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1. How important is it?
2.Without premium over premiums and other coolers, how do you get a massive stack?
3.What to do when nothing seems to go right??
Looking forward to the responses as i have a lot of trouble getting a stack early barring crazy circumstances.. |
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Posted: Tue, 27 May 2008, 8:41am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 18 May 2006
Posts: 521
WPP: 232
Location: Toronto
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1) how early are you talking about. in a 6 hour tournament, like 1.5 hours?
first off, it isn't that important. The value gained from amassing a say 4x original stack after the first hour isn't worth it if you are taking risks in which you bust out early say... 20% more freqently than usual.
2) Most of the time it isnt AA vs KK. Its usually my 75s flopping top two when i call 60 of my 3K stack on the button. Basically, you can afford to make some looser calls in the first few levels and hope to hit a huge disguised hand.
3) be happy you are still in and keep looking for spots. You can't win a tournament early in a tourney. Don't go nuts and try to stack everyone at 2,000 a head. In an hour just one stacking will get you 8,000.
Conclusion; doesn't matter too much. I doubt there is mcuh correlation between first hour results and first place finishes |
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Posted: Tue, 27 May 2008, 10:15am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Apr 2008
Posts: 101
WPP: 117
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i go for the insane agro approach with great hits. dont mess around with the "pot sized" button or the raise to pot from a min bet. absolutely batter your edges.
A) ull look like a maniac when actually ur an edge hunting nit
B) AK AK AK AK (i know everyones like blah blah about AK but its not about screwing with big stacks with AK its about screwing the small stacks with it. if u have em 2x covered and they raise and u hold AK hit the all in button. so +ev its not even funny.
3) limp/raise connectors for nasty disguised hands
4) semi bluff inside straights (as long as u have a good pair) they NEVER EVER see it coming and u usually get paid off on the river. if u miss u can bluff if they are rock ish or u can check and fold if they are agro.
oh yeh and open raise fold ALOT. people always notice when u raise but rarely notice if u fold because they are focused on the person who just bet huge (how much of his stack did he raise, in what position, what was his bet timing etc etc etc)
5) play dead, call down some big hands, act as tho ur slightly scared to play AK onto A93 against a preflop raiser.....
6) play sets both ways, passive onto dangerous boards and active on benign ones and vice versa. if u play passive and the turn is the "DREADED" flush card call the turn bet and wait for the river to pair. get paid. obviously depends how big ur stack is aswell but u get the idea. |
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Posted: Tue, 27 May 2008, 11:57am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 18 May 2006
Posts: 521
WPP: 232
Location: Toronto
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| MehFU wrote: | i go for the insane agro approach with great hits. dont mess around with the "pot sized" button or the raise to pot from a min bet. absolutely batter your edges.
A) ull look like a maniac when actually ur an edge hunting nit
B) AK AK AK AK (i know everyones like blah blah about AK but its not about screwing with big stacks with AK its about screwing the small stacks with it. if u have em 2x covered and they raise and u hold AK hit the all in button. so +ev its not even funny.
3) limp/raise connectors for nasty disguised hands
4) semi bluff inside straights (as long as u have a good pair) they NEVER EVER see it coming and u usually get paid off on the river. if u miss u can bluff if they are rock ish or u can check and fold if they are agro.
oh yeh and open raise fold ALOT. people always notice when u raise but rarely notice if u fold because they are focused on the person who just bet huge (how much of his stack did he raise, in what position, what was his bet timing etc etc etc)
a) early on your tables will break and your image means nothing to the new table
b) dont play for stacks with AK early. tptk wont often hold at 10/20 blinds with 2-3K stacks.
3) always come in for a raise
4) somewhat agree if the stacks are deep
and your footnote I have no clue as to what you are talking about.
You can't win in the first quarter of a tourney. Really.
5) play dead, call down some big hands, act as tho ur slightly scared to play AK onto A93 against a preflop raiser.....
6) play sets both ways, passive onto dangerous boards and active on benign ones and vice versa. if u play passive and the turn is the "DREADED" flush card call the turn bet and wait for the river to pair. get paid. obviously depends how big ur stack is aswell but u get the idea. | |
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Posted: Tue, 27 May 2008, 9:04pm Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Apr 2008
Posts: 101
WPP: 117
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the AK stuff i dont play for stacks that early, (10/20) suppose thats more of a mid late tactic.
5) was more of a referance to not playing AK bat shit insane "i got AK itz teh nutz" switch down.
6) is a referance to trying to get maximum value out of ur huge edges like sets. |
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Posted: Wed, 18 Jun 2008, 1:35pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 183
WPP: 97
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I disagree about TPTK, you want to extract a ton of value with TPTK early as that's the most profitable time to do it, other than when stacks are shallow and you're forced to do it.
Think about it, the majority of the time the bad players bust first. Just who do you think is paying you off massive when you have TPTK? The fish of course. And think about who you're more likely to encounter playing for stacks in the early part of a tourney? Again it's the fish.
There is the chance you'll run into someone like me who appears to be donkish but is actually Scandinavian Mini-raising for value but by and large the fish donate early, get 'em before they're gone. |
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Posted: Fri, 20 Jun 2008, 2:02am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 397
WPP: 116
Location: ...University Of Pittsburgh...
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| MehFU wrote: | i go for the insane agro approach with great hits. dont mess around with the "pot sized" button or the raise to pot from a min bet. absolutely batter your edges.
A) ull look like a maniac when actually ur an edge hunting nit
B) AK AK AK AK (i know everyones like blah blah about AK but its not about screwing with big stacks with AK its about screwing the small stacks with it. if u have em 2x covered and they raise and u hold AK hit the all in button. so +ev its not even funny.
3) limp/raise connectors for nasty disguised hands
4) semi bluff inside straights (as long as u have a good pair) they NEVER EVER see it coming and u usually get paid off on the river. if u miss u can bluff if they are rock ish or u can check and fold if they are agro.
oh yeh and open raise fold ALOT. people always notice when u raise but rarely notice if u fold because they are focused on the person who just bet huge (how much of his stack did he raise, in what position, what was his bet timing etc etc etc)
5) play dead, call down some big hands, act as tho ur slightly scared to play AK onto A93 against a preflop raiser.....
6) play sets both ways, passive onto dangerous boards and active on benign ones and vice versa. if u play passive and the turn is the "DREADED" flush card call the turn bet and wait for the river to pair. get paid. obviously depends how big ur stack is aswell but u get the idea. |
awesome fucking response. greatly appreciated and im gonna try some of these out even though theyre not really my style. Im going to try to incorporate them. |
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Posted: Fri, 20 Jun 2008, 6:09pm Post subject: |
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Two Pair
Joined: 29 Dec 2005
Posts: 26
WPP: 67
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I find that realistically there are enough bad players that give away thier stack that you dont need to be wild early in tournaments. You simply need to make sure you're seeing flops in position and give the bad players a chance to stack off with thier top pair weak kicker etc.
At the same time you cant be afraid to bust early when you have a strong opportunity with a big draw. Definitly play those aggressively. |
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