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AK iffy board, value bet river?

  
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drmcboy
Post Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 10:26am    Post subject: AK iffy board, value bet river? Reply with quote
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15 hands in, this was hand one and my only 'read':
EDIT 70 FO
No Limit Holdem Tournament
$14000 Guarantee
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG NutmilkmouZ (3000)
UTG 1 Dan Crockett (3000)
CO rubbersoul (3000)
BTN Hero (3000)
SB Scootjb (3000)
BB StrangeLuck (3000)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 6 players) Hero is BTN Four of Hearts Ace of Clubs
NutmilkmouZ raises to 60, 2 folds, Hero folds, 1 fold, StrangeLuck calls 40

Flop: Eight of Spades Queen of Spades Ten of Spades (130, 2 players)
StrangeLuck checks, NutmilkmouZ bets 130, StrangeLuck raises to 260, NutmilkmouZ calls 130

Turn: Three of Clubs (650, 2 players)
StrangeLuck checks, NutmilkmouZ bets 650, StrangeLuck calls 650

River: King of Clubs (1950, 2 players)
StrangeLuck checks, NutmilkmouZ bets 380, StrangeLuck folds

Final Pot: 1950

NutmilkmouZ wins 2330 ( won 980 )
StrangeLuck lost -970


Since then he has won a couple and lost a couple small pots with no showdowns

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$14000 Guarantee
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Dan Crockett (3170)
UTG 1 rubbersoul (3030)
CO Hero (2900)
BTN Scootjb (2610)
SB StrangeLuck (2260)
BB NutmilkmouZ (4030)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 6 players) Hero is CO Ace of Hearts King of Clubs
Dan Crockett calls 20, 1 fold, Hero raises to 100, 1 fold, StrangeLuck calls 90, 1 fold, Dan Crockett folds

Flop: Jack of Diamonds Jack of Clubs King of Diamonds (240, 2 players)
StrangeLuck checks, Hero bets 175, StrangeLuck calls 175

Turn: Four of Hearts (590, 2 players)
StrangeLuck checks, Hero bets 375, StrangeLuck calls 375

River: Five of Diamonds (1340, 2 players)
StrangeLuck checks, Hero (2250)?
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chardrian
Post Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 10:34am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i rarely, if ever, get pms
i rarely, if ever, get pms

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I check behind.

I'm not real scared of the J (he'd prolly raise the turn). But the flush scares me.

You're losing value from QK and maybe some hands like QQ/TT, that's about it.
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HiLo
Post Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 4:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Check - As you said in your thread title "iffy board". Flush draw plays like this. What are you going to do if he raises your bet?
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johnny_fish
Post Posted: Fri, 16 May 2008, 10:25am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Location: donkaments weeeeeeeeeeee
b/f 880

let him figure out what to call you with
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chardrian
Post Posted: Fri, 16 May 2008, 10:31am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i rarely, if ever, get pms
i rarely, if ever, get pms

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I barf putting in over half my stack by the river and then folding here.
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johnny_fish
Post Posted: Fri, 16 May 2008, 9:31pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Location: donkaments weeeeeeeeeeee
sure its exploitable etc but they never c/r bluff so this is optimal.

remember this is a donkament! don't pass on thin value

also; i should post drunk less.
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mcatdog
Post Posted: Fri, 16 May 2008, 10:06pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Location: at your tables, calling your bets
I'm all about thin value bets but I just don't see how we even have the best hand here period more than 50% of the time, let alone more than 50% when called. I would check behind and expect to lose the hand.
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