| Author |
Message |
|
Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 8:08am Post subject: 79s multi-street bluff |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 68
Location: over there
|
|
Villain hasn't been sitting long. He's reraised me twice on the 30 hands we've played but nothing has happened really. Don't recognise him from 6max or whatever.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
BTN ($195.80)
Hero ($240.40)
Pre-flop: ($3, 2 players) Hero is BB  
BTN raises to $6, Hero calls $4
Flop:    ($13, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7, Hero raises to $24, BTN calls $17
Turn:  ($61, 2 players)
Hero bets $42, BTN calls $42
River:  ($145, 2 players)
Hero bets $43, |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 11:22am Post subject: |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 2987
WPP: 92
|
|
| the river isnt a bluff though right? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 11:26am Post subject: |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 68
Location: over there
|
|
| Ya the river is for value. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 12:28pm Post subject: |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 2987
WPP: 92
|
|
Actually i dont like the river anyway. obviously it sucks as a bluff. value wise I dont think he has A high all that often here. The flush draw probably plays more aggressively given how you described him and I cant imagine a naked ace high is going to call you down all that often here. Also there are no hands weaker than yours that beat A high that he can have so I dont think you are getting value often. Last of all its the kind of board (drawy but most draws missed) that lots of people will check/call with TP type hands on the river so he isnt necessarily going to bluff or bet medium strength hands when you check so I dont think a blocker is necessary. Thats my thinking anyway.
Dunno about the turn though. I have a question though. What do you do if he raises? Im guessing that river bet means you have virtually no nut hands in your range? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 5:34pm Post subject: |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1939
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
|
|
| why did u make the bets/calls u made on every street and then i can tell if this has merit |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 9:54pm Post subject: |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 68
Location: over there
|
|
| Looking at this again I think I messed up the river. I made my river plan before I made my turn bet but the problem was that I only made plans for rivers where I a) made my straight and b) missed completely. Then when I hit a small part I didn't take that into account and I stuck with the the plan I had for completely missing. Let me post it again with three different rivers and explinations. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 15 May 2008, 10:07pm Post subject: |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 68
Location: over there
|
|
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
BTN ($195.80)
Hero ($240.40)
Pre-flop: ($3, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN raises to $6, Hero calls $4
Decen't hand, I'm OOP but I'm reasonably comfortable with playing flops with this.
Flop: ($13, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7, Hero raises to $24, BTN calls $17
Seems like a difficult enough flop for him to miss. I have not information as of yet to make me think that he will play back at a c/r on this board. Just to get to Pelions post here I really don't think random 200NL players get mad aggro with FD's at this point.
Turn: ($61, 2 players)
Hero bets $42, BTN calls $42
I pick up some outs and I put his range at 8x/Jx/FD's/9T/random floats. I think I have some fold equity so I plan to b/f. At this point my plans were the following lines:
River 1:  ($145, 2 players)
Hero bets $43,
To make him fold the naked FD/9T part of his range. He only has to fold a small % of the time to make this good.
River 2:  ($145, 2 players)
Hero shoves,
value.
I should have had a third plan which would have been something like this:
River 3: ($145, 2 players)
Hero check/calls
Because now I have some showdown value I should give him the chance to turn the missed part of his range into bluffs. I'm pretty certain most 200NL guys aren't good enough to value shove weak jacks or TT here so that makes his river betting range bluffs and 8x. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue, 27 May 2008, 4:25pm Post subject: |
|
|
3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 May 2008
Posts: 101
WPP: 44
|
|
| i like it till the river. Betting this river is major spew. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue, 27 May 2008, 4:40pm Post subject: |
|
|
Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 5908
WPP: 73
|
|
| Normally when I bluff I like shoving. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 29 May 2008, 7:02am Post subject: |
|
|
Full House
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Posts: 1151
WPP: 131
Location: Nest of Douchebags
|
|
| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | Normally when I bluff I like shoving. |
Yeah, I would vbet the made straight and follow ISF on the bluff.
Are we always c/c the 7 on river? I'm not sure I like that. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 29 May 2008, 7:27am Post subject: |
|
|
HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 5120
WPP: 73
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
|
|
| check something the river |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
