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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 11:04am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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Location: Chi-town
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you guys are retards imo.
You dont have to be the unibomber or chris furguson and hide under a hood or sunglasses/hat/hair to be good at live poker. You can be more livid than a statue and not be giving off tells. Bet timing/sizing are still way more important. It is increadibly rare that youll pick up on a specific live tell.
and dale, what youre saying just doenst make sense. Its like rappers that have hollow "ice" with fake diamonds, they are a joke and whatever. But really having 100k in jewels on your neck is definitely balla. So likewise, when you really intend to and are capable of backing up the challenge, then it is indeed ballas. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 11:17am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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| boost wrote: |
and dale, what youre saying just doenst make sense. Its like rappers that have hollow "ice" with fake diamonds, they are a joke and whatever. But really having 100k in jewels on your neck is definitely balla. So likewise, when you really intend to and are capable of backing up the challenge, then it is indeed ballas. |
Actually I think they're all fucking ridiculous. I could give a shit about pissing matches or dick-measuring contests. I play poker to make money, not to prove to myself and the universe that I'm a WINNAR - that's an utterly juvenile mindset that creates way more net losers than net winners. People like that can't bear to lose and tilt when they do; and they care more about crushing an opponent than about crushing the game, so they make stupid decisions and leak money.
So yeah. This guy may be "balla" as hell for all I know, but his general dick-swinging is no more smart or mature than Mt. St. Hellmuth erupting over a completely standard bad beat. As far as I'm concerned they both came off like retards here. And I feel exactly the same about anybody who wears tons of ice to prove how rich he is - whether it's fake or real, he already fuckin' lost.
| boost wrote: | | Bet timing/sizing are still way more important. It is increadibly rare that youll pick up on a specific live tell. |
I think most people who have played poker for a while (and didn't just finish watching "Rounders" for the first time) know that. But when a guy is twitchy and gives off a lot of seemingly involuntary eye rolls and smirks, those are pretty obvious tells (...probably). Get off his junk, the guy's not god just because he's good at online poker. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 12:08pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 1846
WPP: 100
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| dalecooper wrote: | | So yeah. This guy may be "balla" as hell for all I know, but his general dick-swinging is no more smart or mature than Mt. St. Hellmuth erupting over a completely standard bad beat. |
This likely isn't dick-swinging in Durrrr's case though. I'm sure he views Hellmuth as a legitimate mark in the game and saw a +EV opportunity to get him to agree to a HU match where he would have a large edge. I'm sure Hellmuth would be a much softer opponent than the ones Durrrr normally goes up against. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 12:18pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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It came off very defensive to me. He probably would view Hellmuth as a mark (and rightly so - heads up for cash is not remotely Phil's game, he'd probably get pwned), but in context it looks a lot like "Oh, you're questioning me? Well ANY TIME ANY STAKES, PUNK! I'LL SMITE YOU GOOD!"
It's silliness. Unless of course he's levelling Phil (and by extension, me) and thinking the whole time he can get into a good game by challenging the guy's ego. Which is plausible. But it doesn't stop him looking like a douche on TV. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 12:26pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
Posts: 584
WPP: 57
Location: In S-mart Swallowing Your Soul!
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| Hellmuth should be happy that he was able to get his AA all in preflop against this queer/fag. Then he berates his opponent's play to insult him further. Well played Phil, you're still #1 in my book. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 12:49pm Post subject: |
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| why does everyone hate on durr for being a bit on the feminine side? its not like he's a flamboyant flaming homosexual and he is probably the best shorthanded/hu NL player in the world so it's not that cool to hate on him if you are a member of the poker community. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 1:03pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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'cause some people have a serious fear of men that make their penises go to half-mast?
(It's just because he's soft and pretty, it's understandable. You guys are fine) |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 1:16pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jul 2007
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durr makes my loins tingle with his boylike social awkwardness.
Cute eyes too... |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 2:36pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 3:17pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
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Location: value towning myself
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| nutsinho wrote: | | why does everyone hate on durr for being a bit on the feminine side? its not like he's a flamboyant flaming homosexual and he is probably the best shorthanded/hu NL player in the world so it's not that cool to hate on him if you are a member of the poker community. |
how come its okay to hate on mike tyson cause he talks like a fruit, but its not okay to hate on durrr because he is a fruit? tyson is prob top 5 boxers of all time. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 3:25pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| will641 wrote: | | nutsinho wrote: | | why does everyone hate on durr for being a bit on the feminine side? its not like he's a flamboyant flaming homosexual and he is probably the best shorthanded/hu NL player in the world so it's not that cool to hate on him if you are a member of the poker community. |
how come its okay to hate on mike tyson cause he talks like a fruit, but its not okay to hate on durrr because he is a fruit? tyson is prob top 5 boxers of all time. |
Tyson only has a soft voice though, Durr looks, moves and sounds like a gerbil boy. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 3:27pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
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| Pythonic wrote: | | will641 wrote: | | nutsinho wrote: | | why does everyone hate on durr for being a bit on the feminine side? its not like he's a flamboyant flaming homosexual and he is probably the best shorthanded/hu NL player in the world so it's not that cool to hate on him if you are a member of the poker community. |
how come its okay to hate on mike tyson cause he talks like a fruit, but its not okay to hate on durrr because he is a fruit? tyson is prob top 5 boxers of all time. |
Tyson only has a soft voice though, Durr looks, moves and sounds like a gerbil boy. | yeah i mean obv hes not the best example cause he will kill anyone, but its just to make a point. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 4:08pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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Location: I knew I should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque
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durrrr is fruity?
all dat cash and no pussy?
huh, seriously? |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 4:22pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 02 Oct 2007
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Location: England
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I agree with Dale and all associated comments re: his body language.
HU play is not my thing and it seems I was wrong about the way he played the 10s. No big deal, it's all good for the learning process.
However, his physiology was all messed up and he was defnitely uncomfortable. If I didn't know he was one of the best online players, I'd swear he was on the verge of crying and only talking smack as a defence mechanism.
As he is a top player though, he probably meant every word he said, but it still looked ultra defensive & he was still very ill at ease, like he was about to bawl. Maybe 'cause he was caught in a Hellmuth explosion and on TV, maybe 'cause he got trapped with AA with all his fan boys watcing, or maybe his vibrating butt plug snagged on his boxers, who knows?
As for hating on Durrr is bad for all those into poker - why is it then ok to rag on Hellmuth? |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 4:46pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 28 Dec 2007
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| Thunder wrote: | | As for hating on Durrr is bad for all those into poker - why is it then ok to rag on Hellmuth? |
It's not really great to hate on anyone in the game, we're all trying to be better players. But in regards to ragging on Hellmuth over others I'd say it's because of the fact that he sets himself up constantly.
There are plenty of recordings where Phil is talking about him playing on such a level above everyone at the table, even if the table has some of the really big names. Away from the action I'm sure he is a decent guy and gives complete respect to the others but at the felt it's a huge God-Complex. Nothing is ever his fault. The world is against him if he loses a standard hand. The only time I've not seen him go mental on someone for beating him is when he has gotten insurance on the hand. Which leaves me with a few ideas:
*There is obviously still a part of him that is the pimple-faced lanky kid he was growing up. Anyone who knows about football/soccer and the Brazilian Ronaldo has seen it before. Another example is the aforementioned Mike Tyson. All three of these guys can't let go of the person they were before the money and over compensate for it, constantly looking to be recognised. I don't mean to get all psychological on people but this is probably the main issue with Hellmuth. The fact he also "made it" so early in his career has probably been to the detriment of his personality at the table.
*There is also a possibility that he is playing outside of his mental bankroll limit. I really think that he has more money than he is comfortably playing with but (because of my first point) he can't allow himself to drop down a level to get the mental toughness needed to be able to win/lose the amount of money he plays for. Beats hurt when we have an emotional investment in the outcome of a hand, the more we play at a level we are comfortable at the less the beats will "hurt". Every time Phil loses a hand it's as if someone has stabbed him with hot needles. Not to quote Rounders here but he "just can't handle the swings". Money is too important to him.
And yet time and time again Phil is there, being the big man and expecting everyone to see things from his point on view at the table. He sets himself up for all the downers people say about him. Away from the table he is most likely a completely different person and someone who would be great to either chill with or talk poker with. At the table is a completely different story. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 4:58pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
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| Thunder wrote: | | As he is a top player though, he probably meant every word he said, but it still looked ultra defensive & he was still very ill at ease, like he was about to bawl. Maybe 'cause he was caught in a Hellmuth explosion and on TV, maybe 'cause he got trapped with AA with all his fan boys watcing, or maybe his vibrating butt plug snagged on his boxers, who knows? |
No, just look at any of his interviews. He's just a very socially awkward guy. I think he'd be acting the same if the cards were reversed and Hellmuth blew up at him for having unreal luck or something.
... or the butt plug thing. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 4:58pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
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| Jack Sawyer wrote: | durrrr is fruity?
all dat cash and no pussy?
huh, seriously? |
i would bet anything that durrr gets played by the bitches for lots of money. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 5:17pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
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durrr is challenging him cuz he likes money not because hes trying to be cool.
also yeah hes weird and acts gay but im pretty sure hes not actually gay. ive heard phil galfond and others who hang out with him say he isnt. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 5:39pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
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| just a bit socially awkward i would guess. who needs social skillz when you pwn online pokah. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 5:48pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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| givememyleg wrote: | | just a bit socially awkward i would guess. who needs social skillz when you pwn online pokah. |
vg point gmml. durrrr can easily afford those 5k hookers, like the ones elliot spitzer was using. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 5:51pm Post subject: |
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 6:19pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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