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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 11:06pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
Posts: 915
WPP: 41
Location: Green Bay
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| lol this video was awesome. "would you have put in 3100 phil?" |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 12:10am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Mar 2005
Posts: 574
WPP: 724
Location: Chi-town
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| EzDuzIt wrote: | | lol this video was awesome. "would you have put in 3100 phil?" |
ya that was the best line, so awesome. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 12:43am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1384
WPP: 117
Location: value towning myself
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| durrrrr's mannerisms are so annoying. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 1:17am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 384
WPP: 90
Location: On Tony Romo's nuts
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| Durr isn't very charismatic. Just sayin.. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 1:29am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Durr: "If I raised everytime you limped it wouldn't be too hard for you."
PH: "Yeah... Cause I limp most of the time."
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 1:53am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1384
WPP: 117
Location: value towning myself
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| i <3 phil. hes kind of like the rasheed wallace (except not nearly as bad ass) of the poker world. they both complain endlessly about everything that doesnt go their way. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 9:13am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Mar 2005
Posts: 574
WPP: 724
Location: Chi-town
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | Durr: "If I raised everytime you limped it wouldn't be too hard for you."
PH: "Yeah... Cause I limp most of the time."
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Im pretty sure he said "If I raised everytime you limped would it be too hard for you?"
like playing into his retardedness since hes complaining about the way he plays instead of adjusting. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 9:57am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 517
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Location: Fixing posts and saving threads.
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| will641 wrote: | | i <3 phil. hes kind of like the rasheed wallace (except not nearly as bad ass) of the poker world. they both piss and moan endlessly like little bitches about everything that doesnt go their way. |
FYP. (Im a Bull's fan obv) |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 3:22am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| mcatdog wrote: | | So you are saying Hellmuth sucks really bad then? |
Sort of.
Phil's style is to pot control and save chips for low risk oportunities to bully weak players. Inducing spewtastic bluffs out of very aggressive players is another pretty key part of his game and he will go light if he really has to when he knows the other guy's range is full of crap.
When it works, it's pretty incredible to see him build a stack without ever really having to put all his chips into the center.
In an multiple pay-out MTT the approach has a lot of merit. In other formats (HU, cash, winner take all, etc.), he's giving up waaayyyy too much.
Also, some of the big winners in live poker are really good people readers with some pretty big technical leaks. All it takes to make a lot of money at poker is to find someone worse than you who will play for as much money as you can afford to play for. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 10:04am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3089
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^ What Fnord said. It's pretty fashionable to bag on Hellmuth now and he definitely has weaknesses in his all-around game, but as a tournament player (especially deep stacked MTTs) he's very good. As a heads-up player he leaves a lot to be desired - and a lot of chips on the table.
I wouldn't be that happy to be Dwan here though. Hellmuth doesn't 3-bet bluff much (at least not in the zillions of hands I've seen him play on TV, even in prior heads up matches) and doesn't 3-bet lower pairs either, so his range here is mostly strong with a tiny sliver of air underneath. I understand boost's point about folding being bad and everything else committing you, but from another point of view, he's only put in a small portion of his stack - maybe against this particular opponent he shouldn't be so eager to accelerate to the finish line. Also it may matter (or maybe not, to him) that this is a live tournament format and not online or a cash game, where the next game is a mouseclick/rebuy away. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 12:47pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 28 Dec 2007
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WPP: 172
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| Fnord wrote: | | mcatdog wrote: | | So you are saying Hellmuth sucks really bad then? |
Sort of.
Phil's style is to pot control and save chips for low risk oportunities to bully weak players. Inducing spewtastic bluffs out of very aggressive players is another pretty key part of his game and he will go light if he really has to when he knows the other guy's range is full of crap.
When it works, it's pretty incredible to see him build a stack without ever really having to put all his chips into the center.
In an multiple pay-out MTT the approach has a lot of merit. In other formats (HU, cash, winner take all, etc.), he's giving up waaayyyy too much.
Also, some of the big winners in live poker are really good people readers with some pretty big technical leaks. All it takes to make a lot of money at poker is to find someone worse than you who will play for as much money as you can afford to play for. |
I love this breakdown of Phil's game. Fnord, do you think that Phil has another gear in his game that we just don't see him use? There's a few of the pros who it does "appear" only have one major style and they stick to it. Have you seen anything in Phil's game to show that he can get out of this general style of his if he wanted to? It just appears that he doesn't like to deviate from the way he plays even if it's costing him a bunch of money/sending him ranting. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 1:17pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
Posts: 915
WPP: 41
Location: Green Bay
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| no, he sucks. just leave it at that. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 1:58pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
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| but he has reading abilities |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 3:27pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
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Location: value towning myself
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 3:35pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| will641 wrote: | | hes made over $20 million off of his ability to market himself and make for better TV than people who play poker at the highest levels |
FYP |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 4:02pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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It was kinda weird to see Durr talk smack but his body language was really awkward.. it'd piss anyone off I can imagine. He couldn't even look Phil in the eye?..
Kinda reminds me a bit of seeing Aba live. They'd have to be at a disadvantage live if they can't manage their composure properly and pay close attention to subtle details in the other person's body language, or am I seeing this wrong.. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 4:51pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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^ Yeah, that was weird.
I also have to say the whole "any stakes, any time" thing is not nearly as balla as he thinks it is. 'tards at microstakes use the same line any time they lose a big pot - it's the poker equivalent of threatening to beat somebody up in an internet message board. I have no doubt he could actually back it up, mind you - but it loses its power by association with all the monkeys who throw it out when they've already lost their shirt and their dignity. When people say that to me, I laugh at them. |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 7:53pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
Posts: 1953
WPP: 96
Location: MOAR BETTAR
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| dalecooper wrote: | ^ Yeah, that was weird.
I also have to say the whole "any stakes, any time" thing is not nearly as balla as he thinks it is. 'tards at microstakes use the same line any time they lose a big pot - it's the poker equivalent of threatening to beat somebody up in an internet message board. I have no doubt he could actually back it up, mind you - but it loses its power by association with all the monkeys who throw it out when they've already lost their shirt and their dignity. When people say that to me, I shiver and kindly ask them as cowardly as I possibly can, "when and where"? |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 7:57pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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he did look weird though, like, undescribably weird
a proper live player will probably pwn him HU, as in real, live, HU cash, he leaks tells like he's on meth |
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Posted: Mon, 12 May 2008, 8:17pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1384
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Location: value towning myself
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| Jack Sawyer wrote: | he did look weird though, like, undescribably weird
a proper live player will probably pwn him HU, as in real, live, HU cash, he leaks tells like he's on meth |
yeah he repeatedly does this weird thing with his head where looks up to the side and like, puckers his lips together. idk, gay imo. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 1:04pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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Location: Chi-town
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you guys are retards imo.
You dont have to be the unibomber or chris furguson and hide under a hood or sunglasses/hat/hair to be good at live poker. You can be more livid than a statue and not be giving off tells. Bet timing/sizing are still way more important. It is increadibly rare that youll pick up on a specific live tell.
and dale, what youre saying just doenst make sense. Its like rappers that have hollow "ice" with fake diamonds, they are a joke and whatever. But really having 100k in jewels on your neck is definitely balla. So likewise, when you really intend to and are capable of backing up the challenge, then it is indeed ballas. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 1:17pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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| boost wrote: |
and dale, what youre saying just doenst make sense. Its like rappers that have hollow "ice" with fake diamonds, they are a joke and whatever. But really having 100k in jewels on your neck is definitely balla. So likewise, when you really intend to and are capable of backing up the challenge, then it is indeed ballas. |
Actually I think they're all fucking ridiculous. I could give a shit about pissing matches or dick-measuring contests. I play poker to make money, not to prove to myself and the universe that I'm a WINNAR - that's an utterly juvenile mindset that creates way more net losers than net winners. People like that can't bear to lose and tilt when they do; and they care more about crushing an opponent than about crushing the game, so they make stupid decisions and leak money.
So yeah. This guy may be "balla" as hell for all I know, but his general dick-swinging is no more smart or mature than Mt. St. Hellmuth erupting over a completely standard bad beat. As far as I'm concerned they both came off like retards here. And I feel exactly the same about anybody who wears tons of ice to prove how rich he is - whether it's fake or real, he already fuckin' lost.
| boost wrote: | | Bet timing/sizing are still way more important. It is increadibly rare that youll pick up on a specific live tell. |
I think most people who have played poker for a while (and didn't just finish watching "Rounders" for the first time) know that. But when a guy is twitchy and gives off a lot of seemingly involuntary eye rolls and smirks, those are pretty obvious tells (...probably). Get off his junk, the guy's not god just because he's good at online poker. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 2:08pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 1904
WPP: 102
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| dalecooper wrote: | | So yeah. This guy may be "balla" as hell for all I know, but his general dick-swinging is no more smart or mature than Mt. St. Hellmuth erupting over a completely standard bad beat. |
This likely isn't dick-swinging in Durrrr's case though. I'm sure he views Hellmuth as a legitimate mark in the game and saw a +EV opportunity to get him to agree to a HU match where he would have a large edge. I'm sure Hellmuth would be a much softer opponent than the ones Durrrr normally goes up against. |
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Posted: Tue, 13 May 2008, 2:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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It came off very defensive to me. He probably would view Hellmuth as a mark (and rightly so - heads up for cash is not remotely Phil's game, he'd probably get pwned), but in context it looks a lot like "Oh, you're questioning me? Well ANY TIME ANY STAKES, PUNK! I'LL SMITE YOU GOOD!"
It's silliness. Unless of course he's levelling Phil (and by extension, me) and thinking the whole time he can get into a good game by challenging the guy's ego. Which is plausible. But it doesn't stop him looking like a douche on TV. |
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