Am I getting pushed off a hand I was winning?

Ok, reads on the guy are sketchy at best, working a lot on my play and aggression but have slid a little on my handreading skills, regardless this is fairly early in a SNG yet, not a lot for me to go on so far...

-----Hand 3-----
Heros M = 17.33
Full Tilt Poker Game #6353647345: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (48335708), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Holdem - 22:29:13 ET - 2008/05/09
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Seat 1: Th3_Pornostar (1,395)
Seat 2: willneverdie (1,530)
Seat 3: xsubman (1,925)
Seat 4: DirtyCurty12 (1,790)
Seat 5: billpen1 (990)
Seat 6: Chriswit (1,185)
Seat 7: ALANBAY70 (1,100)
Seat 8: Jersey Nut (2,285)
Seat 9: Hero (1,300)
billpen1 posts the small blind of 25
Chriswit posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #4
Preflop: Hero dealt J J
ALANBAY70 calls 50
Jersey Nut calls 50
Hero raises to 275
Th3_Pornostar folds
willneverdie folds
xsubman folds
DirtyCurty12 folds
billpen1 folds
Chriswit folds
ALANBAY70 calls 225
Jersey Nut folds
Flop: A Q 5
ALANBAY70 checks
Hero bets 350
ALANBAY70 raises to 700

Hero??

Many people say no one bluffs at the micro levels, or not enough to count on it, but the check raise?

suits are generally important, although here they would only matter if you had flopped a draw.

This is an easy fold. If you want to show this hand down, check the flop instead, although I prefer bet/fold.

I think my real question is, how often are people running into check raises at these $2/$5 SNGs... seems like a lot for me lately, the check indicates weakness, I bet into them and they shove over... maybe I'm reading too much into the check.

I would imagine that VERY FEW people will c/r bluff at the $2/5 SNG level, especially with this board. Good fold.

I would make it 250 rather than 275 to go preflop to keep the pot a bit smaller.

As played, I take the free card and check behind every time on that board. I do not see the point of betting on that sort of flop (although as drmcboy said, suits are important).

I agree with the group...I would raise a little less and check the flop. With this board this seems like an easy fold.

If this is a c/r bluff than I applaud them. Smile

Check behind flop. As played easy fold.

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In these low stakes, lots of idiots check-raise with monster hands and think they are genius's for their move, but really, it's a sure way to show they have a monster hand. At these stakes people rarely check-raise as a bluff.

I posted my thoughts on why checking is terrible but I'd like to see what drmcboy's reasoning is as well.

Also...if you check behind with a board like that you either are scared of that flop or hold an extreme monster. Either way I will be betting into you on the turn with literally nothing to take that pot from you or find out where I stand. That looks like a mandatory cbet flop especially from someone with position.

This is an interesting hand. How would you play it if you had KK on this board? What about TT?

There is no doubt in my mind that we have to fold after getting check-raised whether we have KK, JJ or TT.

The question was more about whether you are leading the flop with KK or TT if you are also leading with JJ.

*Last edited by taipan168 on Wed, 14 May 2008, 12:33am; edited 1 time in total*

This min c/r is almost always someones idea of a tarp in my experience.

I check behind because of the KK concepts, but I see the point about actually folding better hands sometimes here whereas with KK you never do so the situation is different.

I still dont understand the 'checking this flop is horrible' argument.

I can definetly see the argument for cbetting if we have KK and the board has flushdraw possibilities. Or if we have JJ and know that villian can fold Qx

Bet ~HPS, we only need him to fold a little more than 1/3 to make a profit. It's that simple.

I hate ideas like "Well he wont bet the turn without a Q". You don't know any such thing. Plus if all he needs is a piece, what if that piece is a 5 or the turn 9? What we do know is that we raised pre, we're supposed to have an A, one is right there, and there is a profitable bet to me made. When one argument has clear and easy math and one has feelings and hopes, lean to the math.

If you had KK here, you would at least have some showdown value vs Qx, but since any bet we make in this hand is a bluff, we may as well do it on the flop where it will get the most credit.

In a HU pot, I came up with 4 reasons not to bet an A high flop when you raised pre and are checked too:

1) Your hand is too big.

2) Opp check raises a lot.

3) You will be committed to the pot (and you don't want to be).

4) We have a reasonable draw vs the A but not one we can all a raise with.

None of those are true here. In addition, as you say he may fold a Q. If we are beat we only have two outs so we don't lose much getting check raised.

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