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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 8:13am Post subject: 5/10: KK 3-way vs whale
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 608
WPP: 107
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Villain is 64/5 over small sample. No reads. Turn action?
Seat 2: SB ($180.00 in chips)
Seat 4: BB ($1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 7: UTG ($2,891.10 in chips)
Seat 8: HERO [ KD,KS ] ($1,093.50 in chips)
Seat 9: BUTTON ($993.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
SB posts blind ($5), BB posts blind ($10).
PRE-FLOP
UTG folds, HERO bets $35, BUTTON calls $35, SB folds, BB calls $25.
FLOP [board cards 10D,7C,8C ]
BB checks, HERO checks, BUTTON checks.
TURN [board cards 10D,7C,8C,2S ]
BB checks, HERO bets $75, BUTTON folds, BB bets $300, HERO...? |
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Posted: Sat, 10 May 2008, 9:34am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1957
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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WTF BET FLOP man whaaaaat
now stick it in but like it less and also just pot every street |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 3:38am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 608
WPP: 107
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| sauce123 wrote: | | WTF BET FLOP man whaaaaat |
Why do you bet this flop? Both villains were pretty aggro (button was a good tag reg) and neither was a station postflop. Easy cbet in a 3-bet pot but in a 2-bet pot I think a check is better. Checking this flop induces so many mistakes from aggro players that it's just ridiculous. If I cbet, then I just have to get it in vs a meh range of sets and combos.
| sauce123 wrote: | | now stick it in but like it less and also just pot every street |
I'm obviously not folding. There's no way this donkey checked the nuts twice. The reason I posted this hand is because I'm wondering if calling is better than raising. Do we let him draw and hope he spews some more on the river if he misses? He might be bad enough to call a shove with a flushdraw though. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 3:40am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Flop check is sick. I like peeling one to define hands better and balance out our ranges here.
re-raise vs call is tough
First thought was to just call, but I really hate to trap with a pair. Shoving can't be too bad because he's certain to have outs. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 3:50am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Fnord wrote: | | Flop check is sick. I like peeling one to define hands better and balance out our ranges here. |
checkmate |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 4:32am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 252
WPP: 261
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| I like flop check. If you missed, you would most likely check also and you are right that it causes many mistakes from aggro players and is great for metagame because people are afraid to bluff you. Betting is good though. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 10:44am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6113
WPP: 73
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Yeah I think flop check is fine. It balances our check flop range nicely and if we bet this flop we are likely getting it in close to neutral EV.
I'd prob just shove it in as well. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 11:29am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1957
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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| no, flop check is not fine... theres a DONKEY in the pot |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 11:57am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
Posts: 915
WPP: 41
Location: Green Bay
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| it doesnt seem to me that balancing our checking range on the flop would help us that much. and like sauce said there is a 64/5 guy in the pot why not just bet and try to get lots of money in the pot vs him. |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 1:00pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1957
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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| a ton of ppl have started checking a ton of hands on the flop and i its a v bad idea for most of them |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 1:56pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6113
WPP: 73
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| sauce123 wrote: | | no, flop check is not fine... theres a DONKEY in the pot |
I need to start reading the preface!
Yeah bet srsly! |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 2:27pm Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 608
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Meh, ok, bet flop might actually be better here. I probably have pretty good equity against donkeys stack-off range, which I didn't consider before.
I did shove the turn and he snap folded, which is why I thought calling would probably have been better. I guess he didn't even have a draw since donkeys need time to calculate pot odds... |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 6:02pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1957
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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| donkeys dont have pot odds, they have feelings |
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Posted: Sun, 11 May 2008, 8:57pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 252
WPP: 261
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| I forgot there was a donk in the pot. yeah, then I prefer a bet. Against two regs I would check a lot. |
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