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Posted: Thu, 07 Dec 2006, 8:11am Post subject: Another Question about Ethics |
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Season I
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Location: Dallas, TX
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This Playing-the-Player forum doesn't get enough love.
Where do you guys stand on saying what you have while you're still in the hand?
I did this at an APL tourney, I said "I have Big Slick" a few times, and kept betting, and opp kept calling with TT when a K was onboard. Big slick won! She was so pisssed, she said next time I say what cards I have they go in the muck. I never heard of that. In fact I distinctly remember a bunch of stories (mostly from SuperSystem books) about exactly this kind of psych play.
I stopped doing it anyway, since it was perceived as rude there. At cash games with Molinero, this stuff was all part of the fun. |
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Posted: Thu, 07 Dec 2006, 9:04am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| Last time I played live (the Gutshot in London) if you declared your hand during play you were immediately taken out of the hand - didn't matter whether you were lying or not. |
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Posted: Thu, 07 Dec 2006, 10:20am Post subject: |
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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| House rule dependent. I've seen Daniel Negreanu tell his hand on a few occasions in tourney play. |
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Posted: Fri, 09 Feb 2007, 6:01pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Wales, UK
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| Didn't Gold do this a helluva lot at WSOP? |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Feb 2007, 6:39am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
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Location: Hartford, CT
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Ha, I did this at a SNG at FOXWOODS, I had AA, I went all in,this guy asks me, "so what you got a big Ace?"
I said ACE ACE, He says I CALL.
I flip over the AA, he has AJs .
Everyone at the table was like, Holy shit, he wasn't lying.
I won the hand. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 3:16pm Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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| Benoso wrote: | | Didn't Gold do this a helluva lot at WSOP? |
Only like every hand ^^
After doing it like 50 times he's opponents still didn't belive him.. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 3:27pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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Posted: Thu, 27 Mar 2008, 11:29am Post subject: |
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One Pair
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| Yeah Gold was doing it a lot when he took the main event down. We have a guy at our home game that thinks that by telling us his cards we don't believe him. He literally tells us what he has any time we ask him. |
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Posted: Mon, 07 Apr 2008, 10:44am Post subject: |
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Full House
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Yeah I've got a buddy who does this. He's telling the truth maybe 1/3rd of the time. I can't read his voice/body language with enough accuracy, so I just use his betting patterns to make my decisions for the most part as he usually reveals a lot more though those.
I don't think it should be banned...it usually livens things up, and it's always funny when someone says "I got aces", and nobody believes them till they flip em'  |
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Posted: Mon, 07 Apr 2008, 5:39pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
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Location: Hartford, CT
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| d0zer wrote: | | it usually livens things up, and it's always funny when someone says "I got aces", and nobody believes them till they flip em' |
Ha, I did this at my local FOXWOODS, Ten man SNG. some EP guy raises pretty big, it comes around to me, I have AA in LP , I go all in. He's hemming and Hawing, talking outloud. He says you prolly got a big ace...blah blah blah, then straight out asks me, what do you have? I said Ace Ace. He says I CALL, then I snap flip over my Ace Ace. Hilarity ensues. |
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Posted: Mon, 07 Apr 2008, 7:02pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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| mrhappy333 wrote: | | d0zer wrote: | | it usually livens things up, and it's always funny when someone says "I got aces", and nobody believes them till they flip em' |
Ha, I did this at my local FOXWOODS, Ten man SNG. some EP guy raises pretty big, it comes around to me, I have AA in LP , I go all in. He's hemming and Hawing, talking outloud. He says you prolly got a big ace...blah blah blah, then straight out asks me, what do you have? I said Ace Ace. He says I CALL, then I snap flip over my Ace Ace. Hilarity ensues. |
Exactly. Comedic gold!
Incidentally, I've never seen someone say "aces" in a serious fashion and NOT have em'.
Well...maybe this one guy, but he was a pathological bluffer so he dun count. |
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Posted: Tue, 15 Apr 2008, 10:23pm Post subject: |
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Two Pair
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Posted: Mon, 05 May 2008, 11:23am Post subject: |
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Posted: Sun, 13 Jul 2008, 6:06pm Post subject: Re: Another Question about Ethics |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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Location: Ohio
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| LeFou wrote: | This Playing-the-Player forum doesn't get enough love.
Where do you guys stand on saying what you have while you're still in the hand?
I did this at an APL tourney, I said "I have Big Slick" a few times, and kept betting, and opp kept calling with TT when a K was onboard. Big slick won! She was so pisssed, she said next time I say what cards I have they go in the muck. I never heard of that. In fact I distinctly remember a bunch of stories (mostly from SuperSystem books) about exactly this kind of psych play.
I stopped doing it anyway, since it was perceived as rude there. At cash games with Molinero, this stuff was all part of the fun. |
As long as the only active hands are your own and exactly one other person, I don't see any problem with it whatsoever. Given those conditions, I honestly can't see any argument against it whatsoever, but that's just me. Make sure you follow the house rules though. If it's legal and will upset somebody, I guess you just have to weigh the pros and cons. If it's going to make some up-tight fish pissed, I'd avoid doing it. |
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Posted: Sun, 13 Jul 2008, 9:12pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Posts: 3986
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Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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| Lukie wrote: | | LeFou wrote: | This Playing-the-Player forum doesn't get enough love.
Where do you guys stand on saying what you have while you're still in the hand?
I did this at an APL tourney, I said "I have Big Slick" a few times, and kept betting, and opp kept calling with TT when a K was onboard. Big slick won! She was so pisssed, she said next time I say what cards I have they go in the muck. I never heard of that. In fact I distinctly remember a bunch of stories (mostly from SuperSystem books) about exactly this kind of psych play.
I stopped doing it anyway, since it was perceived as rude there. At cash games with Molinero, this stuff was all part of the fun. |
As long as the only active hands are your own and exactly one other person, I don't see any problem with it whatsoever. Given those conditions, I honestly can't see any argument against it whatsoever, but that's just me. Make sure you follow the house rules though. If it's legal and will upset somebody, I guess you just have to weigh the pros and cons. If it's going to make some up-tight fish pissed, I'd avoid doing it. | why do you think the number of opponents matter ? As long as you don't show your hand you may be lying.
I think it is fine as long as it is allowed by house rules |
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Posted: Mon, 14 Jul 2008, 9:57am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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Location: Ohio
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| TLR wrote: | | Lukie wrote: | | LeFou wrote: | This Playing-the-Player forum doesn't get enough love.
Where do you guys stand on saying what you have while you're still in the hand?
I did this at an APL tourney, I said "I have Big Slick" a few times, and kept betting, and opp kept calling with TT when a K was onboard. Big slick won! She was so pisssed, she said next time I say what cards I have they go in the muck. I never heard of that. In fact I distinctly remember a bunch of stories (mostly from SuperSystem books) about exactly this kind of psych play.
I stopped doing it anyway, since it was perceived as rude there. At cash games with Molinero, this stuff was all part of the fun. |
As long as the only active hands are your own and exactly one other person, I don't see any problem with it whatsoever. Given those conditions, I honestly can't see any argument against it whatsoever, but that's just me. Make sure you follow the house rules though. If it's legal and will upset somebody, I guess you just have to weigh the pros and cons. If it's going to make some up-tight fish pissed, I'd avoid doing it. | why do you think the number of opponents matter ? As long as you don't show your hand you may be lying.
I think it is fine as long as it is allowed by house rules |
I don't like it with 3 or more people active in the pot for a variety of reasons. One, it opens the door for blatant collusion. It also makes everything very sticky and complicated. Say I'm on the button and turn card is just flipped. I start babbling about my hand. The SB now has some information to work with and the CO very well may not be happy with me, as I've put him at a relative disadvantage. When the pot is HU, these concerns disappear. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 Jul 2008, 1:05pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
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Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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| I can see your point about cullosion, but this is a really stupid way to collude, regarding positional disavanage, I can see that too; I think that in WSOP it is a floor manager decision whether or not it should be penalized |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 7:38pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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Location: Ohio
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| TLR wrote: | | I can see your point about cullosion, but this is a really stupid way to collude, regarding positional disavanage, I can see that too; I think that in WSOP it is a floor manager decision whether or not it should be penalized |
Kind of random, but I hate when the floor makes decisions. They are generally clueless about poker, almost never witnessed the events in question, and show a lot of bias depending on the crowd and the people involved. I think the dealer is far more qualified to make most decisions that are otherwise made by the floor.
Then again, I don't play a whole lot of live poker so take it fwiw. |
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