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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:19pm Post subject: Turned set in 3bet pot
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2442
WPP: 66
Location: Spewing
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Opp is 13/6 with 10 att. to steal. AF is 1.3 but I have a simple note saying "spewy". 400 hand sample. He is on 3/4 of my tables.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($49.50)
Button ($9.55)
SB ($72.30)
Hero ($53.10)
UTG ($50)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($55)
Preflop: Hero is BB with T , T . MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.5, MP1 folds, SB calls $4.50.
Flop: ($13.50) A, 6, 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($13.50) T (2 players)
SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to....? |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:22pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Posts: 1101
WPP: 62
Location: Cheshire, UK
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| 20-22 IMO, lets hope he has AK/AQ and can't fold it. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:23pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1301
WPP: 111
Location: surfing in a room
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| minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 3:36am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 10 Aug 2007
Posts: 2046
WPP: 70
Location: the ether
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| XTR1000 wrote: | | minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot. | |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 3:47am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2442
WPP: 66
Location: Spewing
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| daven wrote: | | XTR1000 wrote: | | minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot. | |
Wheeeeeeeeeeeee
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
CO ($49.50)
Button ($9.55)
SB ($72.30)
Hero ($53.10)
UTG ($50)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($55)
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  . MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.5, MP1 folds, SB calls $4.50.
Flop: ($13.50)  ,  ,  (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($13.50)  (2 players)
SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to $17, SB raises to $65.8, Hero calls $29.60 (All-In).
River: ($106.70)  (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $106.70
Results in white below:
SB has Ah Qs (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ts Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $106.70.
sb said, "nice catch"
badgers_uk said, "ty"
sb said, "never expected you to be so idiot of that raise with TT"
Minraise ftw. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 4:46am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.
I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 4:57am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2442
WPP: 66
Location: Spewing
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| Fnord wrote: | Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.
I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board. |
Pre-flop I thought his range would be something like any PP/AJ+ especially with the poster so I think I am far enough ahead of this range to 3bet in position.
On the flop I thought that I was wa/wb and I immediately wanted a cheap showdown. The only FD I can imagine opp having is AKs and I'm behind that anyway so I'm not worried about giving the free card. The positive for betting is that it folds out JJ/QQ |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 10:56am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 1622
WPP: 47
Location: Gainesville
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| XTR1000 wrote: | | minraise, find it standard and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot. |
FYP
Reraising 1010 in blind v blind is fine. I would also bet the flop a lot here but checking behind with showdown value is fine. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 1:17pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 73
WPP: 202
Location: Charlotte, NC
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The pre-flop raise seems great blind vs. blind. However, I hate the flop check. There are way too many over cards in his range that don't include an ace (KJ, KQ, QJ), which he should fold given a flop bet. All pocket pairs other than 66/99 will fold to a flop bet (he doesn't have AA based on his pre-flop call, so no worries there). I bet $8 on this flop and fold to a raise.
As played, any raise is fine. There's so much in the pot when you raise that he will call a push if he's willing to re-raise. FWIW, I raise to $22 in this spot. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 6:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2442
WPP: 66
Location: Spewing
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| AlexMorris wrote: | | The pre-flop raise seems great blind vs. blind. However, I hate the flop check. There are way too many over cards in his range that don't include an ace (KJ, KQ, QJ), which he should fold given a flop bet. All pocket pairs other than 66/99 will fold to a flop bet (he doesn't have AA based on his pre-flop call, so no worries there). I bet $8 on this flop and fold to a raise. |
Ah but this nit will almost never call a 3bet OOP with any of those hands unpaired hands. What does cbetting achieve here? If I bet it's probs more unexploitable since my checking range is almost exclusively TT-KK but I doubt Mr Nit is capable of exploiting me and in a vacuum a flop check is not horrible at all imo. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 6:53pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| If I'm checking KK-TT, I'm checking AK sometimes too. Particularly given your notes. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 7:23pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7707
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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| Fnord wrote: | Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.
I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board. |
why do i want to 3bet a whole lot here? Because i ma fish or i believe fr players are incapable of 'good' blind play? |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 7:32pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 73
WPP: 202
Location: Charlotte, NC
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| badgers wrote: | | Ah but this nit will almost never call a 3bet OOP with any of those hands unpaired hands. |
If we really think he will fold KQ, KJ, and QJ to a re-raise from the big blind, then the check becomes more reasonable, but I still don't like it. The reason is that you cannot win this pot if you don't bet the flop or catch a 10. I can't imagine that he will let you show down for free with any hand that you beat. Would he really call with 55 (or similar) pre-flop and then be willing to check it down? The c-bet is a way to win the pot right now without having to face a tough decision later on, since I assume he's good enough to bet the turn or river if you keep checking. If he pushes back, then he has a big ace or a set, and you go away.
Were you planning to c/f on all streets? |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 7:42pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2442
WPP: 66
Location: Spewing
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I will usually call one street, I can see why Fnord says to balance with AK now because then I can call 2 streets sometimes and get value out of AQ/ opp trying to bluff me off KK-TT. (Incidently, particularly given your notes is a reference to the fact that this opp's more likely to two-barrel? Fnord's one-liners have so much info it's incredible)
If I bet I lose $10 every time he has an ace. If he does not have an ace I win the pot. By letting him bet his entire range on the turn I can win more money from his worse hands and lose the same amount against his good hands so hopefully I win more money. Problem is this guy might bet turn and river a lot with nothing so perhaps the bet is better. |
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