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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 2:57pm Post subject: KQs - 5 handed on button |
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High Card
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Posts: 9
WPP: 102
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SB had just been crippled in previous two hands, calling with the second best hand. Other than that he's not stood out. I haven't yet seen him put up much of a fight for his blind. BB won a big pot early and hasn't done anything major since. UTG seems as solid player for the level. He's folded the previous round or two.
Poker Stars, $1 + $0.20 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 5 Players
UTG: 2,710
CO: 3,225
Hero (BTN): 1,045
SB: 705
BB: 3,775
Pre-Flop: (150) K Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls 100, CO folds, Hero ??? |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 3:40pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Mar 2005
Posts: 1649
WPP: 112
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| I'd just fold, I dont really expect UTG to fold if you push. This might be a push if UTG were really loose |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 3:44pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 3331
WPP: 148
Location: Ballarat, Australia
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Hard to say with those reads...
I probably fold and hope SB and UTG get AI. A limp for 100 chips from UTG from someone you describe as solid could be a warning sign. Could also be something like a PP which for some reason is only a limp but opps always call a push with also. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 8:39pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 660
WPP: 136
Location: Moscow, Idaho
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I hate a fold here. 5 handed KQs is as good as AKs. A solid player isn't limping a poopy ace UTG.
I think you raise and go to war. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 8:49pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 3331
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| Quote: | | 5 handed KQs is as good as AKs. |
No its not. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 8:59pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 660
WPP: 136
Location: Moscow, Idaho
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| why not? I can't remember where... but I know I have a few books on the subject willing to back me here. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 9:13pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 3331
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| AKs is ahead of more hands than KQs, to say they're the same is either silly, or making some assumptions about opps hand and then treating them like fact, which they're not. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 9:35pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Mar 2005
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Any above-average hand becomes stronger 5 handed vs 9 handed, but that doesn't mean you can treat them like the nuts. From what you can assume about UTG's limping range, KQs doesn't do so well. A better way to approach situations is (a)looking at the action in front of you and (b)how many are left to act.
I made the range a little liberal since this is a $1
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
1,342,446,336 games 0.015 secs 89,496,422,400 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.343% 50.77% 02.58% 681498032 34603832.00 { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, A8o+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 46.657% 44.08% 02.58% 591740640 34603832.00 { KQs } |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 10:34pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Posts: 3982
WPP: 65
Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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I think I am pushing this one given your stack size.
There is no reason not to take the UTG at face value, a mediocare hand that want to see a cheap flop, hands like QJ, JT, J9 etc are all in his range IMO |
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