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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 5:46am Post subject: $11 - pocket fives weird stack size |
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Flush
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 578
WPP: 80
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Didn't know what to do with this due to my stack size.. Higher I would std raise, lower I would push..
Full Tilt Poker, $10 + $1 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 40/80 Blinds, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
CO: 1,725
Hero (BTN): 1,050
SB: 4,763
BB: 3,047
UTG: 2,915
Pre-Flop: (120) 5 5 dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, Hero ??? |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 6:10am Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
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WPP: 102
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| Urgh. I think I push all-in. I don't like limping because unless we hit a set we're playing blind. Raise of 3-4BB seems ok, but if re-raised I'm all in. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 8:28am Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 17 Feb 2008
Posts: 163
WPP: 109
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| Im a) folding this, 55 is not an ideal hand to push with or b) set farming....limp in and if you hit get your stack in, if you miss check/fold flop..I really dont think a push is a goood play here considering you only get 120 chips if nobody calls and if they do call your a 50/50 at best.... |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 12:00pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Mar 2005
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| I'm guessing if you plug this into SNGWIZ it would say to push |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 2:27pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 3098
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| It should say to fold I think. Be interested to find out. I need something like 88+ to push here. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 2:36pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
Posts: 504
WPP: 73
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 2:40pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 346
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Location: UK
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| bjsaust wrote: | | I need something like 88+ to push here. |
Yeah, I agree with this. Sometimes I may even push with 77 but I would fold 55. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 1:11pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
Posts: 209
WPP: 68
Location: NYC
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| I think its a shove if blinds are 50/100 or more but now its a fold. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 8:53pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 537
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Location: Moscow, Idaho
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| still have an M of less than 10.. But you're flipping against most callers.. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 9:09pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 3098
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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Hmm, I decided to run this through SNGPT and its more interesting than I thought.
This seems to be a real turning point for pushing ranges. Here are my default calling ranges (from really tight to really loose) and the ranges we'd push. This assumes both call equal ranges:
66+,AT+ - 33+,AKs,AQs,AJs,ATs,ATo+,A9s,A8s,A7s,A5s,KJo+,K9s+,QJo,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s
44+,A7+,KJ+ - 66+,ATo+,A9s+
22+,A2+,KT+,QJ - 55+,ATo+,A8s+
22+,A2+,K9+,KJo+,QT+,JT - 66+,A9o+,A8s+
Hard to say what range they'd call with here. A 12.5xBB push will normally be called fairly tightly, but then in this case its no more than 1/3 of the stack of either opp, so they may feel like gambling.
I suspect this is close enough that I probably fold, but my initial pushing range was a fair way off apparantly. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 10:36pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Posts: 3904
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Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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Posted: Wed, 02 Apr 2008, 9:01pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 30 Dec 2004
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Location: Ellicott City, MD
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I push as well. A standard raise isn't horrible though, especially if opponents have a tendency to call and then check/fold flops. Or if they have shown they will call pushes with a wide range preflop.
Limping for set value is ridiculous. In fact, calling for set value after the first two levels is rarely correct in SNG play. The stacks are just too shallow for it. |
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