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spoonitnow
Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 3:42pm    Post subject: "Going Pro" Reply with quote
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Suppose you play 25nl full ring on a $1100 bankroll and for whatever reason you make $20/hour and are able to play for 30 hours/week. If your job pays $9/hour, and you get to work 40 hours/week, you should quit your job and play poker if your bills are lower than X.

What is X?
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 3:45pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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x= $10
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 3:49pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You're dumb.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 3:50pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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(6:45:01 PM) ***euphoricism went pro way before 25nl Razz

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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 3:57pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'll give an example. Suppose you're in school and you only have about $400/month in bills. What happens then?
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 4:15pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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spoonitnow wrote:
What is X?

X is a constant, whereas poker is a variable.

Should we ask Y?
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 4:33pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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seren wrote:
spoonitnow wrote:
What is X?

X is a constant, whereas poker is a variable.

Should we ask Y?

If you don't have something to contribute then shut the fuck up.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 4:59pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Going pro doesn't mean you can't go get a job if the poker thing doesn't work out.

I'd think that as long as you are bringing in enough money to pay your bills, live as comfortably as you would with a regular job, and still be adding to your bankroll to move up, then you are OK to try...but thats coming from a guy who is a long ways from that point
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 5:08pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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20 x 30 = 600
9 x 40 = 360
600 - 360 = 240
still no answer for X
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 5:46pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Assuming no benefits from the job, playing poker is better in this case.
20x30x4=2400/mo
9x40x4=1440/mo

You also have to add in a factor to correct for some things in poker, variance being the greatest. Plus your taxes will suck a little more (you will probably pay more). The games might get harder, etc. So I multiply the 2400 by 0.8 and get 1920.

Next you have to figure out your monthly budget, bills plus irregular expenses plus lifestyle costs. If this number is less than 1920 (which it should be if you're only making 1440 a month now). Then you have to decide if the difference is enough. For example, if you're total expenses are 1200 a month, your difference would be 720, and your bankroll would grow this much per month allowing you to take shots and have more cushion. If however, you're bills are 1900/mo, then your BR will grow by 20 a month and you will pretty much grind 25nl forever.

So I'd say x = 1500. If you spend less than that a month (including everything) then go for it.

disclaimer: needless to say i'm oversimplifying a lot. you could find a better job, get sick of playing 30 hours a week plus the study it would take to stay sharp, etc.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 5:47pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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spoonitnow wrote:

seren wrote:

X is a constant, poker is a variable.

If you don't have something to contribute then shut the fuck up.


If potentential income from poker is that significant (~1k$/month more than a job), and there is enough leeway in that extra money to cover variance, then the value of X as asked is irrelevant. It becomes an abstract incorporating the mental preparation, self-motivation, time management etc needed to turn pro and be, effectively, self-employed.

Ultimately, bills will always need to be paid, but poker is not a guaranteed source of constant income. In terms of bills, everyone will have their own value of X that will mark the threshold between playing scared and playing well, and their own abstract of X that will determine whether they have the right mindset to do it successfully as their sole source of income.

Not quite as pithy as my first attempt, but the thrust is the same.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 6:33pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i made 17 dollars an hour at my dayjob. I went pro once I had a solid sample size of making over 100 dollars an hour at poker.

my bills were prob 1.5k a month.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 6:51pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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you need a non BR cushion W, and a proven history of Z hand being a winning player at some rate.

This is why most people don't qualify. If you've played 100k hands making $20/hr you should have way more than $1k. If you haven't you probably shouldn't rely on it for income.

Although this is basically what I tried and I was up $2k after 2 weeks then UIGA hit and fucked it all up.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 7:23pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I always get a kick out of those silly micro-grinders who call themselves online pros but then get frustrated when they can't get their BR up past a $2K. But anyway...

Yeah, I would have to be making at least $20/hr for every 100K hands to even consider "going pro", not to mention withdrawing a certain amount each month but at the same time growing my BR and taking shots.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 8:01pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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seren wrote:
spoonitnow wrote:

seren wrote:

X is a constant, poker is a variable.

If you don't have something to contribute then shut the fuck up.


If potentential income from poker is that significant (~1k$/month more than a job), and there is enough leeway in that extra money to cover variance, then the value of X as asked is irrelevant. It becomes an abstract incorporating the mental preparation, self-motivation, time management etc needed to turn pro and be, effectively, self-employed.

Ultimately, bills will always need to be paid, but poker is not a guaranteed source of constant income. In terms of bills, everyone will have their own value of X that will mark the threshold between playing scared and playing well, and their own abstract of X that will determine whether they have the right mindset to do it successfully as their sole source of income.

Not quite as pithy as my first attempt, but the thrust is the same.

Sorry, but you're wrong.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 8:02pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Renton wrote:
i made 17 dollars an hour at my dayjob. I went pro once I had a solid sample size of making over 100 dollars an hour at poker.

my bills were prob 1.5k a month.

Yes, but you didn't answer the question.

There's a reason I chose these particular variables. DOUCY?
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 9:09pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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regardless of x, hero shouldn't go pro. (conservative)
if you're already living comfortably off your day job, then take a shot (idealist)

There are many external variables beyond those you gave, i'm interested in your thoughts.

maybe x is the square root of -1
imagine that.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 9:40pm    Post subject: Re: "Going Pro" Reply with quote
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spoonitnow wrote:
Suppose you play 25nl full ring on a $1100 bankroll and for whatever reason you make $20/hour and are able to play for 30 hours/week. If your job pays $9/hour, and you get to work 40 hours/week, you should quit your job and play poker if your bills are lower than X.

What is X?


I think I read on here somewhere that you shouldn't be thinking of going pro unless you can make poker-wise double what you need to make outside of work p.m so as to protect yourself from variance etc.

Which means, $20/hr x 30hrs x 4 weeks = $2,400.
Half that = $1,200.

So as long as your bills are less that $1,200 a month then you should think of going pro.

Just my wild ass guess.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 9:41pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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x = about 200. our hourly rate is irrelevant at this point. more important is our bankroll. We would ideally want 3-4 months worth in reserve, over and above what we need to play.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 9:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Until I'm making about 1.5-3x (depending on how bad variance is up there) my current income, I wouldn't...

pgil's definitely onto somethin' with the reserve...
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 9:57pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Having 3-6 months expenses saved is a pretty good standard for anyone, poker player or otherwise.
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 10:01pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You can not quit a job and go pro with a $1100 bankroll. Insanity!
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Post Posted: Wed, 19 Mar 2008, 10:55pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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