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Posted: Sat, 15 Mar 2008, 5:29pm Post subject: 1020- triple vs hall |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1951
WPP: 54
Location: Dizzy
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History: we have been playing a mix of 3 handed and hu, in about 100 hands ive 4bet 4 times, and 3bet maybe 8 times. The first 2 4bets were AK and then i made them with TT and AJ just to kinda merge and rep a maniac image. also showed down AQ in a 3bet pot and he showed down A9o.
had one other board like this where i cbet AQ on 532, and one where i check/folded like 875r or something.
i def check/fold flop more often than not. betsizing wise- been experimenting a bit with smaller cbets on dry boards as im rly just trying to fold out the complete trash- my turn betsizing was to set up a credible psb type bluff on river sometimes- tho it makes the ev of a river bluff murky as he can have so many combo draws. line check?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (2 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
Button ($3017)
Hero ($2861)
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  .
Button raises to $60, Hero raises to $240, Button calls $180.
Flop: ($480)  ,  ,  (2 players)
Hero bets $280, Button calls $280.
Turn: ($1040)  (2 players)
Hero bets $660, Button calls $660.
River: ($2360)  (2 players)
Hero bets $1681 (All-In), |
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Posted: Sat, 15 Mar 2008, 6:19pm Post subject: |
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2207
WPP: 47
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| once you bet flop i like it a lot, but i check/fold flop like 90% vs anyone decent |
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Posted: Sat, 15 Mar 2008, 7:52pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6102
WPP: 73
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Does he think your threebetting hands like 66,55,65s,54s?
I like it though, seems like he has to fold like everything besides some Ace i guess. |
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Posted: Sat, 15 Mar 2008, 7:53pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6102
WPP: 73
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| And ofc anything better than one pair. |
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Posted: Sun, 16 Mar 2008, 4:02pm Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 591
WPP: 108
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I totally don't like this.
I don't think you need to balance your three barreling range with pure bluffs. Better to do it occasionally with a weak made hand where you will sometimes get called by worse.
Also is it too much to ask that we would have even the tiniest bit of equity (on any street) when we do this? |
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Posted: Sun, 16 Mar 2008, 4:17pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 603
WPP: 98
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AQ on 532 is way way different than 875 or whatever ... this flop really sucks to c-bet players you have been battling IMO. unless he is the type of player to just lay down to u i think c-betting it is bad in general ... of course unless you plan on 3barrelling cuz thats what it's usually gonna take to get him off whatever he's flatting with.
problem is, does he think u c-bet after 3betting too much? meaning can he think you're holding an ace? cuz like after the ace falls, if he believes your c-bet was credible (which probably isnt the case unless he's the type to peel frequently), it means he has to think you're merging w/ a med-decent sized pr. do u have the history for him to think u will do this to get him to fold out like 99/TT on the flop? if so then merging vs him is bad in this spot and bluffing is kinda spew.
i guess it just really depends on the credibility he gives your c-bet after 3betting, cuz obv he could have been floating w/ A high and have paired the ace, right? though definitely it's a much bigger part of your range, but i agree w/ pocketfours that balancing your triple barrel range w/ a marginal made hand is much better than doing it w/ zero equity and only the hope of folding him out.
fwiw, i think bet sizing is right on. just answer depends too much on dynamics, im sure u knew that though. |
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Posted: Sun, 16 Mar 2008, 7:52pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6102
WPP: 73
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p5's: I think your looking at this at too large of a perspective (which is rarely a bad thing  ) He doesn't always cbet this flop, but he decided to, which I thought was fine. I think you sometimes should be cbetting pure air on this board and two overcards aren't a bad specimen.
On the turn the Ace helps our AK/AQ/AJ whiffed overs we'd want to cbet so betting the turn again seems fine, for opps range the Ace is not great but not horrible. On the river it's pretty freaking hard to put us on a bluff. |
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Posted: Mon, 17 Mar 2008, 3:35am Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 591
WPP: 108
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | p5's: I think your looking at this at too large of a perspective (which is rarely a bad thing ) He doesn't always cbet this flop, but he decided to, which I thought was fine. I think you sometimes should be cbetting pure air on this board and two overcards aren't a bad specimen. |
Yeah, I don't think the cbet is bad at all, that's fine/std. The turn is also fine if your cbet frq is high. I mean it's pretty stupid to check ace high 90% of the time on the flop and then double barrel this turn, right?
| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | On the turn the Ace helps our AK/AQ/AJ whiffed overs we'd want to cbet so betting the turn again seems fine, for opps range the Ace is not great but not horrible. On the river it's pretty freaking hard to put us on a bluff. |
I don't think it's very hard to put us on a bluff here. If villain thinks we often call with small pairs oop pre and often check ace high on this flop, then the only hand where this would be our standard line is AA.
What is villain calling the turn with? A huge part of my calling range here is slowplayed sets and straights (i would sometimes call and sometimes raise with those hands here), and I'm almost always shoving all really good combos (like 7cXc).
There is a reason why an Ace on the turn is such a good card to fire another barrel at, and that's the fact that villain has a hard time calling your barrel with a weak hand. Now he called so we should give him credit for a big hand and give up. |
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Posted: Sun, 23 Mar 2008, 11:06am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 20 Dec 2005
Posts: 3382
WPP: 85
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| I dunno is Holl still making Hero calls like it's his job? |
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Posted: Tue, 25 Mar 2008, 6:55pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 947
WPP: 117
Location: Vancouver
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a) i think c-betting this flop can be easily warranted against a player you've been battling against if metagame dictates it...ie. you've been c/fing a fair amount or something.
b) me gusta |
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