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Posted: Thu, 21 Feb 2008, 5:41pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| I'm $15k up. Does that make me a crook too? |
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Posted: Thu, 21 Feb 2008, 5:50pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Posts: 326
WPP: 123
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Posted: Thu, 21 Feb 2008, 6:03pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 760
WPP: 150
Location: Moscow, Idaho
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| PokerInsider wrote: | | EricE wrote: | | PokerInsider wrote: | | blah blah |
OMG, all this energy spent to such a useless purpose. And so wrong too. Wow, just wow. |
When a finger points to the moon, the imbecile looks at the finger
Chinese Proverb |
You lost all credibility with me right there. You destroyed that proverb. |
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Posted: Thu, 21 Feb 2008, 6:17pm Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 Aug 2005
Posts: 66
WPP: 115
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Just cause this thing is still going and I don't much feel like making a new thread, I'll present my argument against/paranoia towards online poker and make myself an object of ridicule briefly:
It has nothing to do with rigging - many many players keep stats on their hands dealt over large samples, and anyway, even if it was rigged, all that would matter from a pragmatic standpoint is whether it's beatable.
No, my problem applies only to those of us in the states. Do you guys feel entirely confident that your finances will not be investigated by the government? A lot of the financial transactions involved in online poker also may look suspiciously like money laundering and/or a tax dodge. And I don't have a lot of trust in the political climate in the US at the given moment.
Am I being paranoid? I will say, those of us on Napster circa 1999 never expected being threatened with fines of up to $150,000 per song (no one paid that much, but still). And most of us playing online poker back in 2004 didn't really expect it to be outlawed in the states in the near future, but it was. |
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Posted: Tue, 26 Feb 2008, 3:46pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 16 May 2007
Posts: 379
WPP: 133
Location: Finding my game
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| drmcboy wrote: | | Cocco bill - wow, I was sad to see your post. Stealing 100% of the funds on a site is presumably not "below" them either, should we all withdrawl? Should I refuse to pay at McDonalds before I have the burgers in hand? Fucking two window system RIGGED |
I really don't see how this has anything to do with what I said and have to say I'm amazed at some of the responses. Sure this guy might be and probably is full of shit, but so what? Poker rooms are in the business of making money, and I would not be one bit surprised if some of the shadier ones "tweaked" their system to maximize their profits. Companies in other sectors, even reputable ones do all kinds of crap all the time (gray imports, tax evasion, child labor, knock offs, abuse dominant market positions, you name it), but poker rooms never would? I'm not advocating that "zOMG POKAR IS RIGGED" nor claiming I'm not winning because of it nor saying it can't be beaten and absolutely not telling anyone to withdraw or stop playing...actually I didn't say fuck all except not to blindly trust some random companies to absolutely positively 100% ever being in any way interested in maximizing their profits if they found a way to do it. Maybe that's just because I'm an IT security consultant and paranoia is my job.
Like seriously wtf, I must be missing some huge issue here. Do you guys really think a) some posts on a forum will suddenly scare all the fish on the planet away, b) poker rooms are run by saints and they would never ever ever ever even think about doing anything unethical or c) do you all run poker rooms? |
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Posted: Tue, 26 Feb 2008, 10:02pm Post subject: Re: My Story |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
Posts: 1902
WPP: 98
Location: MOAR BETTAR
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| matt2222 wrote: | ID like to comment on this. My name is matt. Little over 3 years .I started playing Poker. And in that time ive won over 20k . The last year i have stopped. Due to the poker ban.And something more sinster.
IF i would win and cashout on a site. Then all sudden i couldnt get 50 cent. Without incurring horrible beats. And that be every other hand. This happen on various sites. And the degree of this is getting worse and more sinster.
Ive had money stolen from me. Been told 50 lies. Seen my table flash while playing holdem. And The guy next to me playing omaha. In a supposed holdem game. And even far worse thigns. Reason my resond to this post. As i started investagate online poker. For my own piece of mind and a search for the truth. What ive found has been shocking. And is almost identical to what this guy posts. He may or may nt be who he says. Be he has some very hidden and almost identical conculsions in my study that ive found.
The large chip stack ratio is real. And if its real. It destroys any credibility of a random deal. In my over million hands study or more. It is real and disturbing.
I have noticed in past year of play.I still play just dont cash out. Mostly for study. And ive done this 8-10 hours a day.Most days. The code and program has gotten more sinster and more corrupt.
They can cap you. I know this without a doubt. I had to change my name ip address, hard drive serial identity on 5 seperate occassions at least.
Each time a miracle happens. I go back to strong winning ways. Against bad players .Till i cash to much. Then at some point. Bad beats , and a new corrupt code. Thats the most shocking of all so far. When my chips go all in. I lose no matter 9 out 10 times.No matter how strong i am.
Pureplay poker is a good example of this. But so far ive not seen one. It just depends on when , its coming. There is obviously some code or somethign.Set if the site dont take or rake a certain amount. This keeps happening to you.
Ive been threatned. Lied to . Told outrageous things.All by supposed good poker sites .
As for the guy in this post. The programmer. One reason in my theory is. That more dont come foward. Is money being first. They are paid well.
2. Confediality agreements.They all sign these. Ive questions 100s of live help people. And they stupidly admit. Or used to. They all have to sign these. And if they break them they face large penalites.
3. Theres not alot of them.
Now if i was one. I would come foward. Write a book and show evicence. And you wouldnt have to work for a company.
But some may fear their lives. As corrupt poker sites.Mob and threats to there family or fear.
I have lot more information. Ive though of release this public. I also have a system. A way to tell that a site is doign exactly what this guy says.
Just goto your site. Start watching the stacks.Espically the larger ones. It becomes clear. That the site is using shills to do this very thing. Also a real player can also. In my honest opinion .IF i had a choice . which alot dont. I would never ever play online again. Other than practice. Theres alot more if anyone interested.
Most sites hide these type of posts. ive had 1000 removed. And if im cheated by a site. They quickly remove my posts. And there affilates as well. Greed is at the fault of online poker. Online poker is in serious trouble. |
HOw could I. Have missed this? This is truly. The most interesting. Post I have. Read all year. Congrats dude! |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Feb 2008, 10:24am Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
Posts: 10
WPP: 36
Location: Zierikzee
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| With all the people using PokerTracker and the many many huge databases it's fairly easy to check if online poker is fair. And guess what? All odds are correct. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Feb 2008, 12:10pm Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 02 May 2007
Posts: 24
WPP: 113
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While we're back to resurrecting wild conspiracy theories...
- I know who killed JFK and why. Transfer $100 to VinceSincere on either Full Tilt Poker or Poker Stars, and I'll be glad to tell you.
- The moon landing was a Hollywood hoax designed to restore America's tarnished technical reputation after the launch of Sputnik.
- Area 51. Need I say more?
- The Trilateral Commission is engaged in a great conspiracy to dominate the world economically, and to further enrich the wealthy elite.
- The teletubbies are part of the homosexual agenda to infest all of America with their lifestyle. All you have to do is ask Jerry Falwell.
- The Holocaust is a myth perpetuated by the World Jewish Conspiracy. Those 6,000,000 people who supposedly died are alive and well and living in Tel Aviv, where they wait to take all of the remaining land from the Arabs.
- Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens did NOT take anabolic steroids. Baseball simply doesn't like black men and redneck Texans.
The fact that online poker is rigged is nothing compared to these great issues. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Feb 2008, 7:03pm Post subject: Pokertracker |
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High Card
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
Posts: 3
WPP: 446
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I keep hands. Trying to see if poker is rigged based on Poker Tracker.Is dumb. And the first thing i crook would beat.
I know this From a long time of study. heres whats happening.
Preflops are differnt.WE all know this. Without Poker Tracker. Some need it.
But if flops and end results after flop.Are whats being targeted.It doesnt show. And Is harder to see. This is what programers are doing.Trying to be undetected. Anyoen bases anything on PokerTracker. HAsnt played long enough.
Just keep watchign or gettign large stack chips. Compare it to rest of table. If yor 3-4 times or greater. Start all in. ALot. Watch times you suck people out.And watch others .
People are given eye candy. Such as pockets. Then sucked away. By post flop preprogreamming.
I truly feel sorry for anyone.That thinks otherwise.
Right now. On pureplay poker.
Ive tested thousands of hands. Every time i all in. Lets say 900 out each 1000. No matter how strong i am. Every hand sucks to anyone im in hand with. This is one the most blatant and corrupt thigns ive seen.
Other sites are just as bad. Microgaming. Programers are settign differnt levels. I dominated the 5 man sit gos at Pacific poker.
Made 10k or more just off them. Soon as i would cash to much.
I could not win a game. COuld rarely get a hand. And when my chips go all in.way ahead. My opponet hit anything. This is obvious its goign on.SOem of you probablly dont even realize it. Its disturbing . COrrupt.
And make playing online poker. useless. Do they do it everyoen.Im sure they dont.
They ike suckers who coem in dump money.Cant manage and lose. They make it easy
But to those liek me who really win. They target. |
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Posted: Sat, 01 Mar 2008, 7:52am Post subject: Re: My Story |
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Full House
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 1476
WPP: 135
Location: moral high ground
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| Jack Sawyer wrote: | | HOw could I. Have missed this? This is truly. The most interesting. Post I have. Read all year. Congrats dude! |
I agere. NOt only did he prove. progrmaers are more smrater. than most online pokre players. me convincd |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Mar 2008, 5:36pm Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 11 Mar 2008
Posts: 1
WPP: 684
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| What I don't get is why some people get so offended when this topic is brought up. Over and over, I see the "anti-rigged" people react like they have some sort of hidden agenda or as if they were personally insulted somehow. For me, the fact remains...Online Poker is RIGGED! Seeing someone correctly and repeatedly calling the cards before they're dealt would make you a beleiver too. Pokerinsider did the right thing by starting this thread...the truth must be told. |
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Posted: Tue, 11 Mar 2008, 7:08pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Posts: 3566
WPP: 98
Location: Your place or my place
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it amuses me that people who think poker is rigged spend their days on poker forums trying to "educate the masses"
If you know its rigged, and know exactly HOW its rigged, you should be rich, right? |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Mar 2008, 7:52am Post subject: |
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Simple question,
If online poker is rigged how do you explain all the millions of people who make an annual substancial profit and decent living from it?
There will be winners and losers in everything and it's usually the losers who can't get ahead are the ones coming out with all these bs random generator theory crap.
There has never been any solid proof yet,until there is sufficient proof i will contnue to play online poker. |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Mar 2008, 8:19am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 2936
WPP: 109
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| Razorclaw wrote: | | What I don't get is why some people get so offended when this topic is brought up. Over and over, I see the "anti-rigged" people react like they have some sort of hidden agenda or as if they were personally insulted somehow. | It's not hidden agenda. We all make a profit from poker, and we don't need someone scaring away the fish with this bullshit. If the less capable and easily persuaded people thought for a second that the site was rigged they would leave, with our money.
| Razorclaw wrote: | | For me, the fact remains...Online Poker is RIGGED! Seeing someone correctly and repeatedly calling the cards before they're dealt would make you a beleiver too. Pokerinsider did the right thing by starting this thread...the truth must be told. | I would like to see proof of this. Never happened |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Mar 2008, 8:28am Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 28 Nov 2006
Posts: 207
WPP: 106
Location: Minnesota, USA
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| If you really want to post all this online-poker-is-rigged garbage, you're doing it in the wrong place. All of the regulars who read these forums are making money playing online. What kind of rigged game ends up profiting the players? lol |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Mar 2008, 9:16am Post subject: PROOF?? |
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Full House
Joined: 06 Aug 2005
Posts: 678
WPP: 171
Location: Falmouth, ME
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Excellent effort! How did I miss this? Now, can we see the proof? (crickets chirping...) Or do we just have to trust you?
WPP: 401  I hope you enjoyed your vacation... |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Mar 2008, 2:05pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7698
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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| why has no-one locked this shit yet? |
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Posted: Sat, 15 Mar 2008, 10:30am Post subject: |
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But who will mod the mods?!
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
Posts: 5086
WPP: 107
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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