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Posted: Sat, 19 Jan 2008, 11:36pm Post subject: 2/4 Deep versus Raszi |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6102 WPP: 73
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This hand is either really good or really stupid, not unlikely whatsoever the latter.
Opp is Raszi, a very good player who has been seemingly just trying to run everyone over with light threebetting, especially me who he probably has down as very loose pre and spewy. I am actually probably playing 16/14 this session. Deep I feel like his threebet range may get even lighter. Flop he instacalled the raise. River was a pretty quick bet as well. I really feel like this river bet size was a leak of his range, I was really pretty sure he'd either shove or closer to pot river with nuts or value, but maybe im wrong. There's really not much basis for that, besides the fact ive seen him be very close to pot as default.
I haven't really gotten out of line, i have been aggro threebetting as well though. I think pretty much every street but the turn is in question.
PokerStars Game #14686183887: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/01/20 - 01:19:40 (ET)
Table 'Risha V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Reef Agate ($261.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Tr3CooL ($400.10 in chips)
Seat 3: heybude ($1046.70 in chips)
Seat 4: smnrgg81 ($408.15 in chips)
Seat 5: belabeans ($124.10 in chips)
Seat 6: RaSZi ($792.20 in chips)
RaSZi: posts small blind $2
Reef Agate: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Kd Ac]
Tr3CooL: folds
heybude: raises $12 to $16
smnrgg81: folds
belabeans: folds
RaSZi: raises $44 to $60
Reef Agate: folds
heybude: calls $44
*** FLOP *** [Qh 6c 6h]
RaSZi: bets $80
heybude: raises $80 to $160
RaSZi: calls $80
*** TURN *** [Qh 6c 6h] [Jd]
RaSZi: checks
heybude: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qh 6c 6h Jd] [4s]
Tr3CooL leaves the table
RaSZi: bets $316
Takeover1 joins the table at seat #2
heybude: calls $316 |
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Posted: Sun, 20 Jan 2008, 2:40am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1955 WPP: 54
Location: Dizzy
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| given how u got to the river id shove before i called |
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Posted: Sun, 20 Jan 2008, 9:09am Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS

Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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Location: trying to live
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Posted: Sun, 20 Jan 2008, 9:19am Post subject: |
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midstakes donk

Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2207 WPP: 47
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| sauce123 wrote: | | given how u got to the river id shove before i called | |
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Posted: Sun, 20 Jan 2008, 11:46am Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6102 WPP: 73
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WELL, clearly i shouldn't even post here anymore because my thinking is just soooo much better than you dumbasses, because i obv snap called and he showed me the missed flush draw that he'll have 98.7% of the time.
pssshhhhhhh why do i even waste my time with you people |
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Posted: Sun, 20 Jan 2008, 11:59am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1955 WPP: 54
Location: Dizzy
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | WELL, clearly i shouldn't even post here anymore because my thinking is just soooo much better than you dumbasses, because i obv snap called and he showed me the missed flush draw that he'll have 98.7% of the time.
pssshhhhhhh why do i even waste my time with you people |
if u can play this hand after the flop minraise vs raszi for a profit i tip my hat to u. |
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Posted: Sun, 20 Jan 2008, 12:00pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6102 WPP: 73
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| u do realize i was leveling |
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Posted: Sun, 20 Jan 2008, 12:12pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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obvvvvvvvvv
i mean nice river play i think thats fine with the bet sizing but yea |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 12:36am Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 1331 WPP: 138
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| Not 4betting pre because? |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 1:03am Post subject: |
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Flush

Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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| wufwugy wrote: | | Not 4betting pre because? |
Because we are 200BB deep.
I don't get your minraise on the flop, but the river is totally standard call. |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 2:05am Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 1331 WPP: 138
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| The Odds God wrote: | | wufwugy wrote: | | Not 4betting pre because? |
Because we are 200BB deep.
I don't get your minraise on the flop, but the river is totally standard call. |
I have no clue how to play deep. Why is 4betting AK bad? |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 2:46am Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 947 WPP: 117
Location: Vancouver
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4-bet, then shove flop, then fold the river
in that order |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 5:30am Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Dude we're supposed to fold the river after we shoved the flop?????? What?????? |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 9:59am Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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| wufwugy wrote: | | Dude we're supposed to fold the river after we shoved the flop?????? What?????? |
If you're actually serious he means fold river as played.
Bmx 4 betting is ofc a good option but calling is fine no? |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 5:57pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Fri, 08 Feb 2008, 8:48am Post subject: |
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Flush

Joined: 31 Mar 2005
Posts: 454 WPP: 121
Location: Love me for a season
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| can i just ask as an interested spectator why he can't have AQ/KK/AA queens full/ some kind of 6 and with his image hoping to get called on this river? is it because he has no reason to believe ISF would bet this turn? |
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Posted: Sun, 10 Feb 2008, 5:00pm Post subject: no |
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Strike 1

Joined: 10 Feb 2008
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Calling the river there, seems like your 3rd mistake. Much better to fire on the turn, and re-establish dominance of the hand, b4 the river.
Your opponent shows weakness or a mastery of playing top set full, by check trapping, though the push on the river seems desperate by him.. |
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Posted: Tue, 19 Feb 2008, 4:21pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 603 WPP: 98
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hands u beat by the river that he 3bets: 78 89 9T AT KT
of these listed, hands that he floats your flop minraise out of position to bluff the river: i think none. maybe flush draws, in which case he'd have to think that your minraise polarizes your range so he figures cheap draw to a flush? but why would he do this w/ a paired board if he thinks your range is polarized as he would be drawing dead ...if that's his thinking, why doesn't he just put in another raise on the flop w/ hands that have no SD value ?
only other thing i can think of is he interprets your minraise to mean you wanna see a river card cheap and that you're on the FD, in which case he'd want to do this if in fact he has what he's reppin ... queens full
but thats just me thinking out loud |
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Posted: Tue, 19 Feb 2008, 4:25pm Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 603 WPP: 98
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| btw, i 4bet this preflop all day, especially if he's 3betting light ... |
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Posted: Thu, 21 Feb 2008, 10:42am Post subject: |
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Full House

Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 603 WPP: 98
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| any thoguhts on my analysis? just curious if anybody thinks about this the same as i do or if there anybody has a very different interpretation. |
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Posted: Mon, 10 Mar 2008, 6:44am Post subject: |
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High Card

Joined: 10 Mar 2008
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