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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 9:51pm Post subject: Live hand 2 of 2 from tonight
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Same game, $300 NL, $3/$5 blinds
UTG (just under $400) raises to $10, he's been making over-sized pre-flop raises with any pair or broadways and getting no action.
2 callers
I (about $350) just call with  
folded to blinds who call.
$60 in the pot. 6 to the flop.
  
UTG bets $45 (he's probably got a pretty good piece, but still could be bluffing)
Donator (under $300 or so) calls (this could be as little as a ten or even a seven, and he's unlikley to raise a draw)
What's my plan? |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:22pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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WPP: 73
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ewwwwwww
I probably just muck as sorry as it sounds. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:31pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:33pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 10 Aug 2007
Posts: 2044
WPP: 70
Location: the ether
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| top pair, 2nd kicker in a 6-way pot? I fold |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:37pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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Posts: 17644
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| daven wrote: | | top pair, 2nd kicker in a 6-way pot? I fold |
Both of these guys are action players, exactly what are we waiting for? Folding would be really silly, then again I've been giving too much action online.
edit: Should I have just re-raised this pre-flop? |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 11:22pm Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| i would make it 155 and call a shove from either of those guys but fold to a cold shove from a reasonable player behind me. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 12:03am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 1621
WPP: 47
Location: Gainesville
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| nutsinho wrote: | | i would make it 155 and call a shove from either of those guys but fold to a cold shove from a reasonable player behind me. |
This makes sense. Have any of the other guys posting advice even played a live hand? I would raise/call here. Raise>>call>>>>>>fold |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 12:22am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Fnord mans up and puts 2 stacks of $5 chips into the pot.
Bullet folds to UTG.
UTG tanks.... hard....then makes a crying shove.
Donator takes the hint that his whatever is no good.
I pray it's not AQ and make the crying call.
Results later.
How did I do? |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 1:12am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 May 2006
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WPP: 139
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| Robot not understand live. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 1:17am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| wufwugy wrote: | | Robot not understand live. |
Wider ranges, more loose/passive play, weak play when the real money hits the table, much more information to work with, more mistake equity.
That said, against tighter opponents I think the flop is a tight fold. However, I don't take calls from total donators that seriously and the PFR's hand is a bit discounted as well. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 4:10pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Raise? UTG has a wide range and could still be bluffing, get it in vs donator while he thinks he has odds to call.
Are you getting real good odds to call the shove or do you think UTG is gonna bluff his stack here? In a passive game this is a fold, but in a poorly played game it's more of a call. I'm lost without my HUD lol. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 5:50pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| UTG was in sheer agony when I put in the raise. I think the strongest possible hand he could have is AQ or maybe KK. His range has a lot of draws or even a worse Queen. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 6:04pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| He has a draw too often to fold then. Like maybe even 98o. |
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Posted: Sun, 06 Jan 2008, 12:26am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Posts: 753
WPP: 115
Location: Santa Cruz
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| i like how you played it. |
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Posted: Sun, 06 Jan 2008, 12:42am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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He had  
I won the coin flip. |
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Posted: Sun, 06 Jan 2008, 1:22am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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Location: Gainesville
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Posted: Sun, 06 Jan 2008, 3:18am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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I think calling this flop has some merit, particularly live.
I went with the raise because I wasn't sure how to read a turn bet from the PFR and the sucker both puts dead money into this pot and makes it pretty clear I can't be bluffing here very often. |
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Posted: Sun, 06 Jan 2008, 10:46pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1009
WPP: 59
Location: NS, Canada
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very nice. live games are toally different than online. Usually, you should be very happy to put your entire stack in the pot with your TPTK or TPGK hand against casino donks , fish & manaics. Live actions are way tooo crazy, folks.
my buddy won 2.5k pot 2-4 NL with AA top pair at Niagara Fallsview Casino last weekend.  |
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