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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 1:18pm Post subject: Aces: Good laydown?
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
Posts: 1345
WPP: 86
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($29.55)
UTG ($12.35)
MP ($17.15)
CO ($37.80)
Button ($27.45)
SB ($9.65)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A .
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, MP folds, Button calls $2.25.
Flop: ($6.35) 8 , 5, K (2 players)
Hero bets $4.75, Button calls $4.75.
Turn: ($15.85) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $19.7 (All-In), Hero folds.
Final Pot: $-3.85
I only had 25 hands on villain, he was 33/17 with fairly high aggression |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:05pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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Location: Canuckistan
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:15pm Post subject:
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Flush
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| Standard. Donk hits trips and shoves to protect his hand from the FD lol |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:50pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 1331
WPP: 139
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| Sorry but he had nothing. Maybe a fd or midpair. He felt this was a great way and card to bluff. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:54pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1009
WPP: 59
Location: NS, Canada
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| i don't think checking on the turn is good. Definitely, you should bet something and might fold to his shove. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 3:00pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 2837
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Location: #flopturnriver
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Bet/fold turn imo.
| wufwugy wrote: | | Sorry but he had nothing. Maybe a fd or midpair. He felt this was a great way and card to bluff. |
Not at 25nl I think. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 3:10pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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| neither player can fold to a shove if they make a credible turn bet given stacks |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 3:25pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| pokerfan wrote: | | i don't think checking on the turn is good. Definitely, you should bet something and might fold to his shove. |
Vs a probable maniac, it could be.
| spoon wrote: | | Not at 25nl I think. |
Especially 25nl. Maybe not on Stars, but I see this on Tilt. For some reason I thought this hand was on Tilt. Dunno why. It shouldn't matter a whole lot, but the pot and max btns on Tilt provoke poor players to bluff like that more often.
Poor players think that board pairs are great cards to bluff, yet they're actually the opposite. Poor players especially aggro ones think that large peculiar bets are great ways to bluff as well. Most 33/17s with high AF aren't good enough to put on the thought process that protects his hand, and they are more likely to bluff at a scare card especially when shown weakness. Out of the blue overbetting isn't exactly value towning, and poor players tend to know that. I don't think I like a b/f either. It's more likely he has it then, but we're getting way better odds to call. Only having 25 hands on villian is a problem, but not too big. 100 hands is closer to what we want, but with 25 hands it's still likely that he's gonna look similar when at 100. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 3:59pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Btw just noticed:
lol wtf |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 4:01pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
Posts: 1345
WPP: 86
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| wufwugy wrote: | | Sorry but he had nothing. Maybe a fd or midpair. He felt this was a great way and card to bluff. |
Midpair? In my experience there aren't too many fullstacks who will raise pf, then call a 3-bet with anything that'll give em' mid-pair on this board. Villain did have a history of PFRing KT, KQ, so given his call on the flop I didn't think it unreasonable to put him on a king. Maybe he had a flush draw but do you really feel that confident pegging villain as maniac with such a small sample?
I was in almost this same situation the other day, the trips came on the river, v pushed and had em'. ...wondering if that skewed my play here... |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 4:35pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 May 2006
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High pfr and he raised his btn. Lots of hands he can have, and may float with.
FWIW, I don't fold this on FT, but I dunno about PS.
Not supremely confident pegging villian as anything, but one thing is for certain, he's not good. Very few good players will have stats like that after 25 hands (I might, but I'm trixy). It's likely he's on the bad lag side.
As for your other hand, it sounds like it went down differently so my answer will be different. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:13pm Post subject: Re: Aces: Good laydown?
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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| d0zer wrote: | | I only had 25 hands on villain, he was 33/17 with fairly high aggression |
"LAggs get paid" |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 7:54pm Post subject: Re: Aces: Good laydown?
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Full House
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| Fnord wrote: | | d0zer wrote: | | I only had 25 hands on villain, he was 33/17 with fairly high aggression |
"LAggs get paid" |
...in retrospect...y'might be right |
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