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noble007
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 7:25am    Post subject: Exploiting habitual c-bettors Reply with quote
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Just wondering what peoples thoughts were on exploiting guys that are c-betting 90/100% of the time.

What board textures, bet sizing etc. is most profitable.

I would imagine low flops/ medium-low un-co-ordinated boards.
Also the frequency (I'd imagine like 1/3?) - if you do this too often it becomes real old real fast, I really think I gain alot of ev by 3betting opponents that are just too aggressive in messing with my own cbets

Also are there any other ways we can take more advantage of missed flops as pre-flop caller.

Ie. multi-way pot we called with SC otb. Original raiser checks which usually means he missed and doesnt want to cbet into multiple callers
so we take a stab.

Maybe I should be raising with more draws on flop?

Is raising a mid pp (77) with one overcard spew against a 17/14 say
on Q64 rainbow flop?

I guess alot depends on whether they are loose/tight post.
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Kits
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 9:28am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I look forward to these answers. I struggle with persistent c-bettors.
Sad

Good post.
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gabe
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 9:54am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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just raise cbets every now and then, you'll get an idea of it all eventually
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ChrisTheFish
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:23am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yeah, or just float em.
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Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:30am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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raise
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Ash256
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:30am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I like calling lots of hands in position and floating dryish flops which have missed a good amount of their range.
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Warpe
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:43am    Post subject: Re: Exploiting habitual c-bettors Reply with quote
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OOP: Increase your c/r frequency with sets/pps that you'd usually lead with, occasionally c/r w/draws/air. Chronic c-bet aggression tends to get ramped back when villain is fearful of being c/raised, makes them easier to read when they actually have a hand.

Donk out with draws and with low-mid-pps, sometimes air into flops that miss overcards, are paired or monotone. It's less expensive than a c/r and balances/mixes up your play.

IP: Tend to raise oesds/fds/pps, mix up raising with embracing your inner calling station and floating more, betting the turn when checked to.

Generally, donk out and c/r more often OOP, raise more/float more IP, bluff/semi-bluff more, make villain nervous about c-betting with nothing and tighten him up.
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Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 11:01am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If they have a high fold to turn bet% or are just plain Aggro and loose, I float them. Against a tighter TAGG type player, I at least make sure I have a few outs, like an A on a K high or Mid PP in case I get called lightly. I also re-raise all my decent draws on the flop. You can't just look for the high C bet %'s, you need to find the right guys. Get a read that they can fold marginal hands first. No Read, No Playing Back.
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IowaSkinsFan
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 11:52am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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OOP can be a lot tougher than in pos, because its very hard to figure out good spots to double barrel. When looking for spots to two barrel look for when your likely opponent moves are call/fold rather than fold/raise.
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Ash256
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 11:57am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ISF, floating vs. raising.
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noble007
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 12:29pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks for the responses guys, most helpful & happy new year! (for later)
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Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:46pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Factors:
-How much they give up after cbetting
-How much they fold to a raise
-Board texture (look at my second post in this thread, there's a relationship)
-Range you can rep (important)

You can figure it out from there, ofc there are more factors too.
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Fnord
Post Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 9:52pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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1) Fold less
2) Pretty much ignore HU flop bets when putting them on a range

From there the answers aren't hard. Also, it really depends on flop texture and how loose they are.
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Massimo
Post Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 11:56am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Think about what flops will almost always get c-bet. Then float and c/r them more often.
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