H0H1 Part 2 Discussion

*Last edited by zook on Tue, 26 Dec 2006, 6:26pm; edited 1 time in total*

Getting into the meat of the book. Hopefully the hand problems will generate some discussion. I definitely don't have the time to post every one, but it would be awesome if people could pick out one they found interesting or tricky and post it. I'm not sure if there are any copyright issues with posting the sample hands, but I'll leave that for an admin to figure out. A few questions to get things started again...

1. What do you think of Dan's defenses against a super-aggressive player? Are there others?

2. Do you ever show your hands when you aren't called? In what situations?

3. What do you think of Dan's use of his watch as a randomizer? Necessary?

4. What do you think of the play in Hand 2-4 (below)? Do you ever use this instead of a standard c-bet?

Single-table satellite - Blinds: $15/$30 - 9 players
Hero is SB with King of Diamonds

and a stack of $960 (3rd smallest stack at the table) - BB is very aggressive and has a stack of $1,850
Hand is folded to Hero who raises to $115. BB calls $85.
Flop comes Five of Diamonds

Hero checks, BB bets $240, Hero raises to $845 (all-in).

I leave Thursday for ten days of vacation up in Trainer_Jyms neighborhood. Does anyone want to post some questions for Part 3 next Sunday? Or for Part 4 the following Sunday? I can probably make time if not.

I havent reread part 2 but......

Watch as randomiser- i dont play at a level online where i would need to but at home games i would mix it up against my mates but it would be situation based instead.

I rarely show hands if they dont pay.

As for the hand, i dont remember it but ill have a go.

I like it alot if villian raised pf and i called OOP. then i check/raised with this type of hand. I have a friend who 100% c/b's so with flops as crap as these I can c/r and he folds so often its profitable. ive had to hold myself back from doing it to often on these boards so he doesnt cop on.

Against very aggresive players I like it but online especially SNGs i wouldnt use this to be honest as i dont have enough info usually to categorise villian as super agg.

1. I do like his Rope-A-Dope play which I implement quite often into my game. I rarely play online, I have a group of about 15+ people who often get together and play (4 times a week usually) with usually 8 people per game. The rope-a-dope tends to work best against the super aggressive players that I know.
Coming over the top with the hammer doesn't work quite as well becuase these people don't raise with nothing to take the blinds all that often, they just call almost every time unless they have something good, in which they raise.

2. I never do unless it is a royal flush or something brilliant.

3. Clever, but I probably wouldn't use it.

4. I personally think it is a good play, I don't use it very often, but since I am known as a conservative player it usually scares the opponent away easily. Typically c-bets is what I go with.

I have a quick question about hand 2-1. Why does he try to win the hand as cheap as possible when he flops a flush, but assume his low flush is good once the 4th club hits? The only part of this hand I agree with is you should have folded preflop. I don't understand why he would make such a small bet to try and buy a pot. After the call on the flop and the fourth club comes on the turn shouldn't we be slowing down? I'm not saying it's time to fold, but it's definitely time to let someone else put the money in the pot and play for a cheap showdown.

This is all a pretty unlikely scenario though, both players having two clubs and the first four cards that come on the board are clubs. Tough to imagine with a shuffled deck.

1) I admit I do prefer the rope-a-dope tactic to the Hammer tactic. But then again I do play the micro levels where players will call down with any Ace, so I am reluctant to try and do it with say K-Q suited. But the rope-a-dope works great on super-aggressive players when you have a set, and they have top pair, good or best kicker.

2) I used to, when starting out, but now I tend to try and prevent my opponents getting any information on me whenever possible. I still see a lot of players

3) It's not something I have personally done, but I think for a beginner it would be perfect to learn to vary plays with hands.

4) I do love that move, and I do use it. It's when you get those flops that you know haven't helped your opponent [raggedy flop, rainbow.] you could check, make them bet, then come over the top. I had a strange situation when I did this against two players on a 8-high rainbow flop after I opened with a raise pre-flop, I did the check raise with A-K, and I get called by a player with Q-7, for Queen high. Two Tens on the turn and river meant I profited a lot more from that play than I expected. But I do love that move. People can't help to make a bluff, just for the sake of it, because you checked.

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