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Posted: Sat, 29 Sep 2007, 2:07pm Post subject: FH facing river shove
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Straight
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 155
WPP: 85
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG+1 ($2.78)
MP1 ($1.70)
MP2 ($3.52)
Hero ($1.97)
CO ($5)
Button ($4.91)
SB ($2.96)
BB ($1.21)
UTG ($1.33)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K , K . CO posts a blind of $0.02.
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.09, 1 fold.
Flop: ($0.24) 3, 5, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.2, SB calls $0.20.
Turn: ($0.64) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.55, SB calls $0.55.
River: ($1.74) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $2.11 (All-In), Hero ???
overpairs are in his range, right? so i should call, right? (apologies if this seems so trivial) |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Sep 2007, 3:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 10 Aug 2007
Posts: 2035
WPP: 70
Location: the ether
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Call without blinking.
Villain's range is huge - but limited to those hands that would call a 4xbb raise pre-flop. Post-flop I guess all pairs 66+, 33, AQd, AJd maybe some suited connectors. There are only four hands you are scared of - AA, 5x, A4d, 46d. What 5x hand could villain hold to be calling your raise pre-flop - maybe 56s or54s but I doubt it. A4d or 46d is unlikely by the same reasong. So call - if you lose to quads or a straight flush then rebuy and get the chips back soon enough. For what it's worth, I put villain on 33. |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Sep 2007, 3:57pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Posts: 4168
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Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
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Posted: Sat, 29 Sep 2007, 4:14pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 21 May 2005
Posts: 60
WPP: 104
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| insta call. it's gambling you've got a full house what are you waiting for, a straight flush which I assume he showed? |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Sep 2007, 6:01pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 155
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| Thanks, I needed to hear it from other players. The guy turned over 54o for quads. |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Sep 2007, 7:22pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| miracleriver wrote: | | Thanks, I needed to hear it from other players. The guy turned over 54o for quads. |
that sucks. Happens. But anyone who calls a biggish pre-flop raise with 54o in the small blind is someone I want to be playing with. Well played. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Sep 2007, 6:46am Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 21 May 2005
Posts: 60
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| as they say shiat happens. It's all aboot calculated risk and if you weren't prepared to take that one foget aboot it. A lot of times you'll call and the guy will turn over nothing AQ or AJ sometimes QQ or JJ. But with KK what can you do? |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Sep 2007, 1:31pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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WPP: 85
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| i don't mind the result ... so much ... ok, trying not to. anyway, i take comfort that this was a must-call situation. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Sep 2007, 4:23pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Posts: 3152
WPP: 144
Location: spreading fert
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at the 2NL level...dont ever fold this. hell, at 50NL i prolly wouldnt fold a boat...maybe higher.
overboat is rarer than overset and overflush. when you hit your boat, dont be afraid to get the money in. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Sep 2007, 5:01pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7706
WPP: 71
Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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| miracleriver wrote: | | Thanks, I needed to hear it from other players. The guy turned over 54o for quads. |
sometimes he has it, a lot of the time he doesnt, so dont worry about paying the river. |
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Posted: Mon, 01 Oct 2007, 10:32pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1383
WPP: 117
Location: value towning myself
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| yeah he had it then, but most of the time he is doing that with something like a 4, 3 or 2, possibly an over pair. you have to call. |
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Posted: Mon, 01 Oct 2007, 11:10pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 4906
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I think I'm the only person on this site that ever considers folding to overbet river shoves at lower stakes.
Seriously, to everyone who's suggesting that a small boat is doing this is just outside their damn minds.
What types of hands at small stakes overbet shove the river?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Posted: Mon, 01 Oct 2007, 11:23pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 10 Aug 2007
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| bigspenda73 wrote: |
What types of hands at small stakes overbet shove the river?
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All sorts of muck. I could post some examples... top pair meh kicker on four cards to a straight and flush board, bottom straights on paired boards, bottom two on paired boards etc... |
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Posted: Tue, 02 Oct 2007, 2:02am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 158
WPP: 64
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| yeah, overbet river shoves at low limits is just about always the nuts. This sort of hands happens with suprising frequency at low levels, SB and BB will call with anything. I wouldn't be suprised to see A5 in his range here either. This is where all your profit comes from, reload and be patient. |
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