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Posted: Sat, 11 Aug 2007, 11:43pm Post subject: KQo HU against limp/re-raise ($27)
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Straight Flush
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Opp is a donkey - stats something like 67/0. That's right, he hasn't raised a single hand all tourney and has limped in the majority of times preflop.
Getting 1.5 to 1 on the call I have correct odds against anything other than QQ+ and AQ+, I have to call here, don't I? Should I have just shoved it preflop? Seemed a bit excessive with 13x BB and considering the fact this guy has limp/folded to raises previously.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero (t5270)
Button (t8230)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , K .
Button calls t200, Hero raises to t1600, Button raises to t8230, Hero needs to call t3645 and... |
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Posted: Sat, 11 Aug 2007, 11:57pm Post subject:
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Straight
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| Uggg, this spot sucks. If your opponent is THAT bad tho, i would fold here instead of calling and probably being in a bad situation. You can probably make a comeback with 9BB |
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Posted: Sun, 12 Aug 2007, 12:50am Post subject:
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Season VII
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I think I am folding here. If villian is that bad of a donkey this hand reaks of a huge hand where he spooged all over himself as he pushed his chips in the middle.
I think you can wait for a better spot to take his chips. |
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Posted: Sun, 12 Aug 2007, 1:32am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| I think I'd probably fold even though that makes me want to shoot myself in the head. And I wouldn't open shove pre-flop either because this type of player loves to call off a lot of chips pre-flop and then fold on the flop. That's one of the best ways to take their chips in fact. |
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Posted: Sun, 12 Aug 2007, 6:39am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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Posted: Sun, 12 Aug 2007, 11:05am Post subject:
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Full House
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| If he is that bad you can fold here and still kick his ass later. |
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Posted: Sun, 12 Aug 2007, 11:43am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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You raised like a third of your stack. Even the biggest of donks can make plays like this with little to nothing heads-up. Call. |
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Posted: Sun, 12 Aug 2007, 2:26pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Sun, 12 Aug 2007, 3:42pm Post subject:
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Flush
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Uber-passive limp-reraises are you kidding me?
F O L D |
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Posted: Mon, 13 Aug 2007, 7:43am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| Thanks for the replies. Opp had A6o. |
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Posted: Mon, 13 Aug 2007, 10:06am Post subject:
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Season VII
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| taipan168 wrote: | | Thanks for the replies. Opp had A6o. |
and??? Please tell me you took his chips!!! |
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Posted: Mon, 13 Aug 2007, 11:58am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| taipan168 wrote: | | Thanks for the replies. Opp had A6o. |
all of us who said fold should be ashamed of ourselves, I know I am |
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Posted: Mon, 13 Aug 2007, 4:38pm Post subject:
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Flush
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| mcatdog wrote: | | taipan168 wrote: | | Thanks for the replies. Opp had A6o. |
all of us who said fold should be ashamed of ourselves, I know I am |
Ummm ... no. Lets not be result oriented. Just because it happens once in a while doesn't mean it's the norm. What's our sample size? I still believe the fold is correct in the long run. |
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Posted: Mon, 13 Aug 2007, 6:30pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Here's my point. Sometimes you're in a situation where your hand is so strong that you should never lay it down. KQ heads-up with 13 BB, getting 2:1 odds, is one of those situations. But instead, we sometimes talk ourselves into making a heroic fold (which in a vacuum is BAD BAD BAD) because "well this guy is so passive and awful that he'd never do this without a hand that has us crushed blah blah blah" and we're usually wrong to do it. Even passive players get out of line sometimes so you shouldn't make horrible folds like this.
Most of the time, ABC Poker is what wins the money instead of making absurd call-downs with A high or folding sets or whatever. |
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Posted: Mon, 13 Aug 2007, 9:44pm Post subject:
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Season VII
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| I would rather make a heroic fold based on the knowledge at hand than a mistake the other way around. I still think a fold in that situation is the right move. |
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Posted: Mon, 13 Aug 2007, 9:49pm Post subject: Re: KQo HU against limp/re-raise ($27)
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4-of-a-Kind
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| taipan168 wrote: |
Getting 1.5 to 1 on the call I have correct odds against anything other than QQ+ and AQ+, I have to call here, don't I? |
I don't care how passive he is, if he has 88 he's shoving here. We're going to have to go in to push/fold anyway if we fold, so he'll soon catch on and call pretty wide. I can't see how you can argue for a fold here. Such a terrible donk prob doesn't see limp raise as a trap anyway, just "hmm I have a hand I call, getting aggro are we? You think you can push me around? ALL IN!" |
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Posted: Mon, 13 Aug 2007, 11:03pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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| I wish skill was enough of a factor to fold here. |
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