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Posted: Sun, 22 Jul 2007, 5:36pm Post subject: middle pair. playing for stacks
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Full House
Joined: 12 May 2006
Posts: 782
WPP: 124
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villain is 25/17 over 100 hands.
he autocalls my flop raise.
a few orbits earlier, he raised my BB from SB and i raised to 3x his raise. he called. he checked. i cbet flop of Q92 and he folded.
i think he is drawing to a flush when he crs the turn allin or str flush draw. call or fold?
Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)
SB: $686.00
Hero (BB): $684.00
UTG: $158.10
MP: $831.15
CO: $639.00
BTN: $579.00
Preflop: Hero is dealt A 9 (6 Players)
4 folds, SB raises to $22.00, Hero calls $16.00
Flop: ($44) Q 9 5 (2 Players)
SB bets $30.00, Hero raises to $80.00, SB calls $50.00
Turn: ($204) 4 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $125.00, SB raises all-in to $584.00, Hero ??? |
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Posted: Sun, 22 Jul 2007, 5:52pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 2762
WPP: 73
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| You can't rule out AQ or KQ here on this drawy board, and although it's probably better to threebet a set or two pair against most people, he still could have those hands here. So i think this is a pretty easy fold. |
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Posted: Sun, 22 Jul 2007, 7:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1965
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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ur flop raise is very very bad against his range as is ur turn bet as is ur call preflop. ironically i think calling/folding to the turn shove is pretty marginal either way but i would likely call and feel unhappy about it. u made a lot of critical mistakes over the course of this hand on every street though. (im saying this/being critical cause i know ur improving/moving up fast).
preflop the correct play against this player is a 3bet unless he plays poorly postflop.
a call on the flop
check/bet turn if u call the flop and he checks to u is pretty opp/meta dependant
as played a check on the turn is very very clearly correct
(this could be false if u have very specific bet sizing/timing tells on ur opponent but they would have to be very precise to play this hand this strangely) |
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Posted: Sun, 22 Jul 2007, 7:34pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6152
WPP: 73
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| Axs plays much better in a threebet pot BVB |
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Posted: Sun, 22 Jul 2007, 9:11pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1965
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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| i disagree ISF i think it plays better in a raised pot however we are so far ahead of his range preflop and initiative is so valuable i think 3betting is a better play here |
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Posted: Mon, 23 Jul 2007, 1:52pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 12 May 2006
Posts: 782
WPP: 124
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| sauce123 wrote: | ur flop raise is very very bad against his range as is ur turn bet as is ur call preflop. ironically i think calling/folding to the turn shove is pretty marginal either way but i would likely call and feel unhappy about it. u made a lot of critical mistakes over the course of this hand on every street though. (im saying this/being critical cause i know ur improving/moving up fast).
preflop the correct play against this player is a 3bet unless he plays poorly postflop.
a call on the flop
check/bet turn if u call the flop and he checks to u is pretty opp/meta dependant
as played a check on the turn is very very clearly correct
(this could be false if u have very specific bet sizing/timing tells on ur opponent but they would have to be very precise to play this hand this strangely) |
thanks for the advice sauce. i think a pf 3bet is a mistake. i 3bet him in this same situation a few hands earlier. if i raise i won't know where i'm at in the hand and i can see him 4bet bluffing with his entire range.
i raised on the flop because i felt his bet was weak. when he instacalls my flop raise i still think he is weak. i bet the turn as a sort of blocking bet and as a bet so that he would have to pay to draw out on me. he then crs the turn allin. i didn't think he had a better hand and called. i think this call was more of a tilt call.
if i was completely not tilting i would definitely fold the turn cr allin. i probably wouldn't have played it like this in the 1st place.
i agree with your line though. calling the flop and checking the rest of the hand down i think is better.
i'm very surprised that you say calling/folding the turn cr is about the same. do you really call allin cr?
without reads i'm guessing you definitely fold.
also, ISF, how does A9s play better in a 3bet pot? could you expand on your statement. don't i get into trouble when i flop an A? or TPTK? |
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