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bjsaust
Post Posted: Sun, 08 Jul 2007, 6:38pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'll be blunt for a second here.

You've identified 3 obvious leaks so far:

1 - Not thinking before making actions.
2 - Playing out of your BR
3 - Calling raises with crap hands from the BB.

What we havnt seen a lot of is you taking much action to plug those leaks. You're not going to improve just acknowledging them, you have to come up with ways to address them. If just wanting to isnt enough, then try to come up with some kind of system. Maybe you always take 2 or 3 deep breaths before pressing any button after making a decision. Maybe you write down exactly what hands you will call a raise with from the BB and keep it next to your computer. You've got to do something about them though.
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Post Posted: Mon, 09 Jul 2007, 2:21am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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bjsaust wrote:
I'll be blunt for a second here.

You've identified 3 obvious leaks so far:

1 - Not thinking before making actions.
2 - Playing out of your BR
3 - Calling raises with crap hands from the BB.

What we havnt seen a lot of is you taking much action to plug those leaks. You're not going to improve just acknowledging them, you have to come up with ways to address them. If just wanting to isnt enough, then try to come up with some kind of system. Maybe you always take 2 or 3 deep breaths before pressing any button after making a decision. Maybe you write down exactly what hands you will call a raise with from the BB and keep it next to your computer. You've got to do something about them though.


I have been taking action against plugging these leaks. I play around 20 games a week and I'll post maybe 2 or 3 of those games on this thread.

I've not 100% fixed these leaks yet. especially 1 and 3 but with regards to me stopping and thinking before making a move, this is definately being addressed but every now and again i'll act to quickly.

2. playing out of my bankroll - I have 100% fixed this leak as of the last time I fired up a $16.

3. - Calling raises with crap hands from the BB - this can be changed to "calling min raises from BB with marginal hands."

thanks for the comments though. I see where your coming from.

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Post Posted: Mon, 09 Jul 2007, 3:03am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Alright ill give ur last HH a shot. I grind the 10$ sngs, but i used to do the 6$ turbos and beat it, so hopefully i can help.
Here goes:
#24-19=Good, well played.
#18=You have an excellent hand, make a standard raise or even a weak lead to try to get him to push. VERY BAD push.
#17-15=Good, well played.
#14=I do not like the reraise, its too weak. Either call, reraise to 1350 or go all in.
#13-7=Good, well played.
#6=I dont hate it, but i think push/fold would be better, since that raise is getting u pot commited anyways.
#5-1=Fine

You played well. Your play is extremely elevated for the stakes that you are playing. You should be absolutely killing the 6$ sngs with ease. This sng looked like a turbo to me (im not sure, i dont play on PokerStars), and i really think that you should stop playing turbos, and start playing normal sngs. Luck has a smaller effect in the, and u will make a lot more $, im almost sure of it.
Also, i think hand 19 where u called a min raise with A6suited was a fine call. Just proceed cautiously when an A hits, just like u did. You played that hand perfectly.
Really, the only leak that i can find is that you get very impatient when u flop a big hand (like AJ in that SNG i just reviewed and when u flopped trip 8s in ur other sng). When you flop a big hand, just take your time and think about how you can extract the most possible.
Thats just what i think.
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Post Posted: Mon, 09 Jul 2007, 3:43am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Turbos make more cash per hour, and I, for one, like money.

Stick with turbos Wink
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Post Posted: Mon, 09 Jul 2007, 7:19am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Goddamn players at these stakes are donks..i hate playing these when your up against the worst players in the world.
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Post Posted: Mon, 09 Jul 2007, 12:25pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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KillThatInfidel wrote:
You played well. Your play is extremely elevated for the stakes that you are playing. You should be absolutely killing the 6$ sngs with ease. This sng looked like a turbo to me (im not sure, i dont play on PokerStars), and i really think that you should stop playing turbos, and start playing normal sngs. Luck has a smaller effect in the, and u will make a lot more $, im almost sure of it.
Also, i think hand 19 where u called a min raise with A6suited was a fine call. Just proceed cautiously when an A hits, just like u did. You played that hand perfectly.
Really, the only leak that i can find is that you get very impatient when u flop a big hand (like AJ in that SNG i just reviewed and when u flopped trip 8s in ur other sng). When you flop a big hand, just take your time and think about how you can extract the most possible.
Thats just what i think.
GL


Thanks!! Very Happy

I think you may be right on the last part. when I make a big hand I sometimes don't play it well enough with regards to extracting more chips.

I really enjoy Turbo's more as they get to the push/fold part of the game quicker and I feel tat this part of my game is one of my better areas although I am still very much learning about when to push and when to fold.
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Random_Hero
Post Posted: Mon, 09 Jul 2007, 12:27pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Geanosssss wrote:
Goddamn players at these stakes are donks..i hate playing these when your up against the worst players in the world.


Agreed... I find it hard not to slate people in the chat box for some of the outrageous donkplays you see. lol Rolling Eyes
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Post Posted: Tue, 10 Jul 2007, 3:58am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Tue, 10 Jul 2007, 3:59am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Random_Hero wrote:
Geanosssss wrote:
Goddamn players at these stakes are donks..i hate playing these when your up against the worst players in the world.


Agreed... I find it hard not to slate people in the chat box for some of the outrageous donkplays you see. lol Rolling Eyes


You should embrace donks. Stack 'em every time you get.
If every player at a table was just as good, then only cards would speak. Poker would actually become a game where your cards *do* matter more than the other stuff.
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Post Posted: Tue, 10 Jul 2007, 4:22am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This weeks resluts:
SnG's played - 18 (1 x $16)
1sts - 4
2nd - 2
3rd - 0
4th - 3
the rest - OOTM

BR at start of 1st week - $118.07
BR at end of 1st week - $127.85

OVERALL
SNG's played - 141
ITM% - 41.1%
ROI% - 26.5%

over 141 games:
1st - 29
2nd - 13
3rd - 16
4th - 18

Better week than last week I suppose. I'm out of the rut I found myself in last week which is noice. I'm thinking before acting a lot more now which is good. I have sworn not to play another $16 until i'm rolled for them.

Going on a 2 week holiday to Turkey next week so won't be able to play any games for 2 weeks but will continue the operation as soon as I return. I leave on 16th July. Will post results for this coming week on Saturday or Sunday.

Thanks for all the support.
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Post Posted: Tue, 10 Jul 2007, 4:41am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Looks good man. Enjoy the holiday Smile.
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Post Posted: Tue, 10 Jul 2007, 4:26pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Keep on winning man, good job. Have a great break and come back firing.
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Post Posted: Wed, 11 Jul 2007, 1:35pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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2 hands from recent SnG. (finished 2nd Dancing lol)

whats your move here? big stack can call a wide range so if I shove I dont have much FE really.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t1560)
SB (t3255)
BB (t8685)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, 8.
Hero ???

raise to take the blinds here or just shove? villain has been loose but not too loose. called a lot PF in the early stages but folded to raises. If we put him on 15% of hands here a shove is wrong. can we put him on tighter than that? Think
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Hero (t2485)
BB (t4180)
UTG (t3605)
Button (t3230)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T, 5.
2 folds, Hero ??
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Post Posted: Wed, 11 Jul 2007, 3:02pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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1st hand (Td 8d): I'd go ahead and shove here. In your situation, I'm willing to take a 40/60 to try and double up. Y0u're all in next hand anyway, and you can't bank on getting a much better hand. I'd shove it with no regrets.

2nd hand (Tc 5h): If he calls and loses, he's the new short stack by a lot, so I think his range could easily be tighter than 15%. I still might let him walk here though to show I'm not pushing ATC. You're short, but not on death row.
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Post Posted: Wed, 11 Jul 2007, 6:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I agree with Chase for hand 1, but I disagree with hand 2.

15% is 77+, A7s+, ATo+, K9s+, KTo+, QTs+, QJo, JTs. Since you said he is pretty loose, but not with raises I could see him calling with this range. If he is a thinking player and decent at all he knows you need to push wide here and call wider than that, maybe with 66+, A2s+, A7o+, K9s, K9o, Q9s, QTo, JTs, and JTo. With this range you need to fold.
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Post Posted: Wed, 11 Jul 2007, 7:17pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Hand 2 you can afford to std raise and still have 10BB behind if he shoves over. A c-bet would hurt but not kill you if it doesnt work.
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Post Posted: Wed, 11 Jul 2007, 7:30pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ZeeDee:
Whoops, looked at the wrong hand range for 15%. I was thinking it was much wider. My bad.
BsJaust: Do we really want to try to steal here with T5? If big stack is a thinking player, he could shove over with a huge range and force us to fold, as it's the bubble. I probably let him walk here.
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Post Posted: Wed, 11 Jul 2007, 10:12pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Given that both we and BB have greater than 10 BB, we can bet 500 and not look too weak. BB is bigstack and has us covered, but he's really only marginally bigger than the rest, if we have a real hand we can make him easily the shortstack.

It would depend on reads somewhat, but I'm ok with putting some pressure on during the bubble. He doesnt want to take risks anymore than anyone else.
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Post Posted: Thu, 12 Jul 2007, 2:22am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Zee Devee wrote:
15% is 77+, A7s+, ATo+, K9s+, KTo+, QTs+, QJo, JTs.


This is where WIZ, SNGPT and pokerstove differ. 15% of hands on WIZ is - 33+, A7+, A4s+, KTs+.

Hand 2 I just made a standard raise and he folded but then I questioned whether that was correct. If we get shoved over then we can afford to fold this and not be to desperate BUT it is the bubble and do we want to risk losing the chips we raise if we get shoved over?

Villain wasn't a thinking player thats for sure, he continually limped from EP early in the game and then folded a raise, needlessly throwing chips away.
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Yes. If we dont take chances we blind away.
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Post Posted: Fri, 13 Jul 2007, 12:45pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Quick update as I dunno if I'll get anymore games in before I head off on ma holidays!!

BR at start of 1st week - $118.07
BR at the moment (2nd week end) - $151.55

played - 143
ITM% - 41.3
ROI% - 26.5%

Was down to $85.00 at one point during the rough patch but I'm well up over my starting BR I'm pleased to say.

Might have time for couple more games tomorrow but I'm not sure.

If I'm unable to post then I'll speak to ya'll in 2 weeks time... Keep grinding
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Post Posted: Fri, 13 Jul 2007, 1:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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nice job man, keep it up!
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Post Posted: Sat, 14 Jul 2007, 6:05am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nice stats there.
Of course always nice to see a bankroll increase too.
Keep it up.
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Post Posted: Sat, 14 Jul 2007, 9:59am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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couple of hands from recent game. Was hungover during this game. not really the best of ideas playing hungover but meh...

Is a shove correct here?
PokerStars Game #10933234983: Tournament #55434595, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/07/14 - 10:44:34 (ET)
Table '55434595 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: amundes (1504 in chips)
Seat 3: backonu (1805 in chips)
Seat 4: DeadMoney78 (1280 in chips)
Seat 5: Newbïe (3786 in chips)
Seat 8: microphone (2630 in chips)
Seat 9: RandomHero83 (2495 in chips)
backonu: posts small blind 100
DeadMoney78: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RandomHero83 [Qc As]
Newbïe: folds
microphone: folds
RandomHero83: ??

Easy fold?
PokerStars Game #10933255597: Tournament #55434595, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/07/14 - 10:46:27 (ET)
Table '55434595 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: amundes (1204 in chips)
Seat 3: backonu (1105 in chips)
Seat 4: DeadMoney78 (1580 in chips)
Seat 5: Newbïe (4486 in chips)
Seat 8: microphone (2630 in chips)
Seat 9: RandomHero83 (2495 in chips)
backonu: posts small blind 100
DeadMoney78: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RandomHero83 [Th Td]
Newbïe: raises 400 to 600
microphone: folds
RandomHero83: ??

shove?
PokerStars Game #10933344246: Tournament #55434595, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/07/14 - 10:54:32 (ET)
Table '55434595 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: amundes (1683 in chips)
Seat 4: DeadMoney78 (1652 in chips)
Seat 8: microphone (4892 in chips)
Seat 9: RandomHero83 (5273 in chips)
amundes: posts the ante 25
DeadMoney78: posts the ante 25
microphone: posts the ante 25
RandomHero83: posts the ante 25
amundes: posts small blind 200
DeadMoney78: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RandomHero83 [7s Qc]
microphone: folds
RandomHero83: ??
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Post Posted: Sat, 14 Jul 2007, 12:28pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Honestly I would push all three hands.

Hand 2 (TT) I would come over the top, especially if he has shown to be using his big stack to push people around.
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Post Posted: Sat, 14 Jul 2007, 1:23pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Zee Devee wrote:
Honestly I would push all three hands.


Agreed.
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Post Posted: Sat, 14 Jul 2007, 2:18pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Zee Devee wrote:
Honestly I would push all three hands.

Hand 2 (TT) I would come over the top, especially if he has shown to be using his big stack to push people around.


I