Let's talk about 1/2 and 2/5 live (mostly Vegas rooms)

Red and Blue chip games, player pool is a mix of aware onlinish folks, other weakies, gamblers, people who just want to play hands, really bad "pros", etc.

First, anyone claiming to destroy these games?

I've been playing 1/2 live at the local horsetrack in Michigan, these games are pretty soft but I'm running into a whole lot of variance. At my skill level right now, I would never sit down at a 1/2 online.

I am a loser in the 1/2 NL game at Red Rock in Vegas. It's on the west side in Summerlin and has a bunch of dealers and other casino employees in it. The game is bad (as in not easy), at a 9 handed table I would say there were 2 maybe 3 poor players and no huge donators.

Now, go down to Bellagio, Wynn, Venetian and I could beat those games but I played limit at those rooms.

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I will have to check back with you after experiencing the increased limits here in Florida after July 1st (woot!). My only other live NL experience was playing a 1/2 NL game in Curacao. Very easy to read and should have shown a big profit, but I went busto when my A,K lost all in to A,3 after a flop of A,x,x, and he hit his 3 on the river.

I started a $500 bankroll in April for my 1/2 game here in niagara falls. Played three times: gain of $200, gain of $100, and a loss of $500.

First of all, the games are really soft on the weekends, which are the only times I will play. I've tried the during week crew a couple times and found it was a lot tighter with more aware players.

Secondly, Variance of my roll is huge because you start off with a max buy-in of 50bb, and I didn't want to have an initial investment of more than $500 (250 big blinds).... wow that's small.

I have never played in the 2/5 because 1/2 is too big for the roll. I assume it's generally the same except more postflop raises and tighter preflop play.

Bank, your roll is way too small.

A live 1/2 game is often going to play like it's really 50bb deep or less. Then figure you're pretty often going to be playing a $400+ stack. $5000 would be a more reasonable roll.

Your rathole approach to the game just doesn't sound very fun and is certainly leaving lots of money on the table.

Re-raise, shove any flop is one of the best plays in these games.

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Here is another one where weak/tight leaves way too much money on the table.

Excalibur 1/3 200 cap. Spin the wheel for cash and prizes if you lose with quads or pocket aces, wheee!

I open for 15 with AK
LAggy kid re-raises to 30
Old Man who plays wayyyy to many hands calls
ZOMG, AK no good right? Call to hit a flop? FUCK THAT
Folded to me and I re-raise to $200
Kid calls off his stack with 8 Spade

7

Old Man folds.

Kid sez: I wanted to double up
Fnord sez: GIVE ME A DEUCE!

Ship it!

I was just there 2 weeks ago. 1/2 at Flamingo, Paris and other small/med rooms on strip.

Lots of variance, due to maniac play. With a small BR I played pretty much straight up, with lots of smallball and still got called with the goods with my chips all in.

I wish my local home game was that easy.

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I'm actually probably down at casinos overall. But it really just surprises me because i find that the play is just really really bad. Sometimes i can literally pinpoint someone to one hand and be right.

Theoretically i think i should be crushing them. I think i'm probably just playing too many hands and being impatient and it just kills my winrate.

That could be very likely since when you're playing idiots the cards do matter. You're gonna show down vs. the really bad players.

It's so hard to not play hands like QTo when you've folded the past 10 hands over 20 minutes.

Playing 4-5tables online seeing 350h/hr compared to 25h/hr at the casino. It's also tough to nit it up for 2hrs, pick up JJ make it 10bb to go and have the pot 5handed.

Ontop of all that our sample size is so small losing/winning can all be chalked up to variance until I would say you get 100 hrs of table time or more.

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