Discussion: Why you suck at LHE (for newbs)

If you havent had a chance to look at it, its:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6613

And, since you locked it and we have no further way to discuss it, I decided to make a discussion thread on it.

First off, I'm going to come out and say I dislike you locking your thread, thereby leaving no open room for discussion, among other things.

If you were to number them, they would look something like this:

i got a chuckle out of the going all in remark Very Happy

that just means you ran outta money!

Let the games begin.
I think in number 12 he is talking about the people that will call any raise in the blinds.........there are plenty of them out there.

17.You go all in. I am going to guess this is refering to losing all your money putting you all in. A good player always has enough money to cap every street if needed.

19. All I have to say is sample size Shocked

What about raising the turn heads up with a weak draw. I get that ALL the time. That should be on the list also.

Oh yeah, i forgot to mention, add some of your own Smile

10k hands is 10k hands, it doesn't matter over what duration you play them so talking about streaks and months is silly.

I'm mostly directing the post at the newbies I see comming from the micro tables and the lemmings I see at live games. It pretty much covers the HUGE chip spewing leaks I see over and over again.

Going allin is horrible because it's money that you can't double up on. You should always have enough chips at the table to play your normal game.

*Last edited by jbmagic on Sat, 05 Feb 2005, 1:03pm; edited 1 time in total*

you mean AKs not AKo right?

The difference between AKs and AKo isnt that great.

And the you're a bad player because "you don't" is a double negative as in "you should do X", which is what you're saying.

Of course it isnt always true blah blah but that's a bit too complex for someone these tips would help.

Depending on the game, I may not cap AKo. If its HU and a Rock raises i'll call the three bet. At lower limits though I'd almost always cap it.

5. You don't 3-bet/cap AA,KK,QQ,AK

why not?

i tought your suppose to 3bet/cap AA,KK,QQ,AK

I love the way fnord is so blunt.

It is almost like ok boys, you suck, here's why, you still suck, I can smell the suckage from over here, please come play at my table.

At low limits with gamblers and rec players, those rules are absolutely on point. At higher limits, you break all of them. Knowing when to break them determines whether you win or lose at say 10/20 and up.

Great post Fnord.

Soupie

Fnord, I have a suggestion for # 20 of why people suck at LIM

20. Even though you have a sufficent bankroll(presumably), you only bring $200 to 300 into a 10/20 game. I don't know how may times I have seen the following two scenerios.

1. Guy has KK with $43 dollars left and misses out on a big portion of the pot. He then "whines" a about bad-timing while he is rebuying.

2. Guy had $40 to $50 left and I think he is trying to rep the flop. Everyone else folds and I go after him with 2nd best pair and good kicker. His short stack has effectivley limited my potential loss. I may be behind, but I'll have free cards coming. Also, players get real frustated and (and their starting requiremenst can go out the window) when they are down to $40 from $400 -seems like they just want to get out or get set for a rebuy.

Ayway, I think this is one the weakest things I see in LIM. Short stacks.

Any thoughts, Fnord or others??

I'll agree with you, but i think this is a variation of the 'Going All-in.'

You should always have at least 12 BB so you are to cap every street. A lot of people sit with 25, I like to sit with around 50.

If you get down to 40 from 400 you are probably hoping for some mere luck, when you should have left the table a long time ago.

I've seen it happen too, Players with under $100 at a 5/10 table are my favorite!!

Can we add to this:

Playing at the wrong table with not enough chips.

I think table selection is often under rated and see many people sit down at thw rong table and under stacked. I love it when everyone at the table has 30-40 and someoen sits down with 10.

Just wanted to say, "Nice post Fnord".

I am a No Limit player who occasionly plays Limit in B&M casinos. I'm going to read and re-read these and really think about them, because I'm sure some on them apply to me.

Thanks also to Jeff for getting the ball rolling on the discussion.

Fnord, I have two more for the why I suck list

21. You "always" check when you miss the flop (you never rep the flop)
22. You 'always' bet when you hit the flop (never check-raise or slow play)

There is not better "fish" to play against than the ones that do the two things above. Short of seeing their cards, you can't ask for much more.

From a limit newbie perspective Embarassed

, I think Fnord's post has been incredibly helpful. It's taken me some time to identify some major leaks (and there are still more to find, I assure you) in my limit game after switching over from S&G's and small stakes NL. If you haven't done so, I will attest first hand that you will have some MAJOR ingrained leaks, if you don't make some critical adjustments. Here are the ones

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