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Posted: Thu, 10 May 2007, 4:40pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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The sigh was because I have a heater like this and it still doesn't cover my losses. Also, academically, but still annoyingly, I took my big hits at $100 and made most of my winnings at $50 and £50, so my battle to pwn $100nl suffered a hell of a setback - I am back to being an all-time loser at that level.
But yeah, today was great, I shouldn't sigh. I also had my second biggest pot ever in terms of net return (bear in mind it's £50NL so basically double the cash values for $ equivalent):
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic (£50NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksBTN: £34.90
SB: £98.90
Hero: £76.95
UTG: £21.78
UTG+1: £51.80
CO: £49.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A A
UTG raises to £3, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero raises to £7, UTG calls, SB calls
Flop:(£21.50) 8 3 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets £15, UTG is all-in £14.78, SB calls
Turn:(£66.28) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets £54.95 and is all-in, SB calls
River:(£176.18) 6 (3 players)
Final Pot: £176.18
UTG has JJ
SB has KK
:ship it: |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 6:22am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Hello.
Still only played 4,500 hands this month - in fact, in the last 5 weeks I have only played 7k hands! That's not very good. I'm playing less when my gf's around, and she seems to be going to bed later 
Fwiw, there's nothing really to report. Since my U-shaped period last week I have played a few hundred hands, done okay with very little to cheer or cry over. Indeed, I am possibly playing TOO safe right now - 570 hands last night and not a single stacking, good or bad. My monthly ptbb/100 is an understatedly acceptable 3.01, though tbh that's a weeny bit disappointing, since I was pwning £50nl (same monetary value) for 6.3ptbb/100 long term.
More fun was had last night with my first shot at, and first win*, in a Stars $16 turbo SNG. I really like the pacing - I usually play Party turbos but they are a wee bit speedy for me (not always a bad thing, since I only really play them for fun/because of time constraints), whereas these are a little more gentle but still better than the interminable schlep that is the Stars regular SNG.
The tables still have one fewer fish than Party, but I guess I can live with that if the speed benefits are substantial enough.
*pushed HU with KJo, called by AA, board KxxJJ. Nice. |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 1:14pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Posts: 592
WPP: 146
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| biondino wrote: | Okay, here's a typical bluff attempt. As you can see, I had no intentions at any point to do anything beyond bluffing. Tell me why this is wrong:
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($NL)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed
StacksSB: $58.83
Hero: $84.25
UTG: $117.50
CO: $139.82
BTN: $99.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 5 A
UTG folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB raises to $2, Hero calls
Flop:($4.50) 9 J 3 (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls
Turn:($14.50) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero raises to $21, SB raises to $51.83 and is all-in, Hero folds, SB doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $64.50
This hand - not technically a blind steal as I had a top 25% hand - should I have slowed down earlier? Should I have bet the river? Villain 15/6/0.6 and played hard when he played:
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksBTN: $52.08
Hero: $103.25
BB: $97.50
UTG: $151.82
UTG+1: $159.50
CO: $98.50
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K T
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls
Flop:($8.50) K 3 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BB calls
Turn:($18.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $12, BB calls
River:($42.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Final Pot: $42.50 |
I think #1 is played well - Obviously we are Lagging it up a bit, but if villain has AK or AQ he is going to be folding to the turn raise - This time he had the goods and you folded - I think that is a great play...
hand 2 looks good - When your playing 5 max or 6max you need to bet your Top Pairs fairly strong...you were able to check down the river as obv. that card sucked...
both these plays seem good to me - Maybe you are just beating yourself up too much?
The next hand (different post) I would just say lead out when you hit top pair - The nice thing about a flop like that is that they aren't really suspecting you of raising with A6 - Course the bad thing is the super coordinated board so you don't want to go nuts - but I lead there assuming i've got the best hand until they play back stronger - |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 1:36pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Posts: 592
WPP: 146
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| biondino wrote: | | Hilarious night last night. After the gf went to bed, I decided, possibly unwisely, to play some $100 a bit tipsy. I only managed to play 42 hands; however, I did finish up $294 |
don't play drunk is standard advice - I have to say it sounds like you need some release though and maybe you should do this once in awhile. I think you are playing the hands very well, unless you want to be a total Nit and fold anytime there is a Possible better hand...The only semi mistake hand that stood out was the 2 pair on the flush board - I still think you played it well - The flop check raise was great - After that, i'm guessing someone has the flush and try to get to showdown as cheap as possible....Otherwise, it looks like your playing very well -
I will give some probably dumb advice, but it seems everything is going well and maybe you are just expecting different results? Like when I look at your PTBB they are reasonable - not conquer the world amazing, but solid win rates - yet you are beating yourself up on every single post - maybe take a week off and come back refreshed. Or set a new goal of possibly moving to 200NL? Maybe play some more tourneys?
im no expert by any means, it just sounds to me like maybe you are in too much of a routine - Maybe you are sitting down expecting everything to flow easily every single session. It is hard when you know you are playing well and still just can't win as much as you think you should be - but maybe you are expecting everything to just flood in immediately...cheezy poker advice i know - sorry |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 2:54pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Hi Limpin,
Thanks for the excellent posts - exactly what I'm looking for on this thread! The compliments don't hurt either
Of course, you're right about me overreacting to negative results and bad beats, but I also see it as part venting, part a genuine attempt to conquer leaks, so I hope you don't mind reading it.
As for my expectations - I think in the past I have been spoiled, and as a result I find it quite hard to deal with a) a much lower win rate - I am literally taking home a good deal less profit than I was at £25NL and FAR less than ant £50 - and b) a lot more swings. I had losing sessions at lower levels, but my ptbb was that much better that I could realistically expect, more often than not, to win. So it's coping with this that's the issue really.
And following on from that, I don't think I'll be moving up to $200 for a LONG time (though I have sort of started wanting to take shots - though I'll have to be in a VERY comfortable mental space to do so) because the issues I am having at $100 will be exponentially greater.
Poker is a hobby for me and I never want it to eb anything else. I have already put a certain amount of pressure on myself because, now I've proved I can make healthy sums, I feel like I *have* to play for this reason, not just for fun and pocket money. I'm not playing scared , I'm playing obligated. Which isn't a great way to play. |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 3:03pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Posts: 592
WPP: 146
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| i don't mind reading it at all, and i understand just what you mean - |
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Posted: Sun, 20 May 2007, 5:42pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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So a poor weekend - down $315 in about 850 hands. Sadly, as I realised when I went through my hand histories, a few of these losses were hands simply played badly, no excuses. It wasn't tilt, either, just a fundamental misunderstanding of pretty fundamental Poker Strategy. I'm not going to post the two hands in question, but they are BOTH me betting hard on the river with third pair into sets. Really bad, and both cost me exactly half a stack (I guess I should be grateful I didn't lose more than half a stack at an y time).
Tonight, I decided to play 1 table, and really concentrate. It started poorly; my play was fine (a bit cautious to start with, as ever), but the only good play I was able to get in were good, yet irritating, folds such as:
HAND 1
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
3-handed
StacksHero: $96.50
BB: $82.88
BTN: $65.85
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J J
BTN calls, Hero raises to $5, BB calls, BTN calls
Flop:($15.50) 6 K 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks
Turn:($15.50) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $10, BTN calls, Hero folds
River:($35.50) J (2 players)
BB checks, BTN bets $10, BB calls
Final Pot: $55.50
BTN shows A K (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
BB mucks hand Q J (A Pair of Jacks, King high)
So, I was down about $70 after maybe 35 hands, and it was all looking bleak. At least, however, I wasn't playing badly - until this hand demonstrated my river demons are alive and well:
HAND 2
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksHero: $99
BB: $108
UTG: $78.87
UTG+1: $178.25
CO: $85.60
BTN: $57
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J 8
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero calls, BB checks
Flop:($3.00) J 9 A (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks
Turn:($3.00) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls, UTG folds
River:($7.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls
Final Pot: $13.00
Hero shows J 8 (Two Pairs, Jacks and Nines, Ace high)
BB shows 8 A (Two Pairs, Aces and Nines, Jack high) |
Last edited by biondino on Sun, 20 May 2007, 5:54pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sun, 20 May 2007, 5:49pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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However... it seems hand 2 might have worked on a meta level. The guy I lost to was to my direct left, and fancied himself as a bit of a lagg (37/13 stats if I remember rightly). He had also folded me out on two occasions with re-raises pre-flop, and clearly felt he was in control. Every sign of weakness, he pounced on. And then this happened:
HAND 3
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksHero: $97.50
BTN: $77.75
SB: $82.12
BB: $192.75
UTG: $79.60
UTG+1: $65.75
Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with J A
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls, SB folds, BB calls
Flop:($12.50) 7 5 Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BTN calls, BB folds
Turn:($32.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20, Hero calls
River:($72.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $44, BTN folds, Hero doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $72.50
I would have loved to have shown, but was auto-mucking. A bluff! On the river! That worked!! But as it happened, it didn't actually matter - same villain once again...
HAND 4
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
StacksHero: $131.50
BTN: $40.75
SB: $83.12
BB: $188.25
UTG: $84.35
UTG+1: $64.25
Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with A A
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN raises to $40.75 and is all-in, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls
Flop:($83.00) 5 4 Q (2 players)
Turn:($83.00) Q (2 players)
River:($83.00) 2 (2 players)
Final Pot: $83.00
Hero shows A A
BTN shows 3 3 |
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Posted: Sun, 20 May 2007, 6:01pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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For those who are interested - and please do comment - here are my post-flop aggression factors in all hands since I made $100nl my main game:
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Posted: Mon, 21 May 2007, 7:40am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
Posts: 981
WPP: 178
Location: Sweden
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Obviously you've made some big mistakes recently, but there've been a few suckouts to go with them and you're still obviously playing good taggy stuff here and capable of putting players in tough spots.
I think your post-flop aggression is great, especially as it's clearly not robotic or anything, and so not too easy to exploit.
Okay, I think there's space to check-behind on occasion or flat-call with your showdownable hands. But I envy your aggression.
Try some more of the single-table focusing. Work on your reads and let us know how it's going because it looks good. |
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Posted: Mon, 21 May 2007, 4:16pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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I was having a fairly shitty evening - 1 double up followed by bleeding the rest off slowly - and then this happens. Bear in mind I've been losing consistently at this table - a 4-bet pre-flop with QQ got the 3-bettor to fold and that was my biggest pot there. And then....
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
CO: $170.75
BTN: $129.25
SB: $103.25
BB: $106
UTG: $134.87
Hero: $114
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with T 7
UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, CO calls, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($9.50) 2 9 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO calls
Turn:($21.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls
River:($41.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $40, CO raises to $97, Hero is all-in $54
Final Pot: $229.50
Villain has, of course, QTo |
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Posted: Tue, 22 May 2007, 8:07am Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 147
WPP: 85
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| You played it fine. Put him on your friends list... |
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Posted: Thu, 24 May 2007, 4:35pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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I'm not quite tired enough to go to bed, so I'm going to look through tonight's session ($62 up! That's up, for those of you who've forgotten what the word looks like, like me) for some interesting hands. I don't think there were an awful lot...
Biggest loss - LOL. That'll teach me to pick this spot to fight back against a blind re-stealer.
HAND 1
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
UTG: $60
UTG+1: $19.78
CO: $94.36
BTN: $113.75
Hero: $99
BB: $45.07
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Q K
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $10, Hero calls
Flop:($21.50) 8 6 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $9, Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $35.07 and is all-in, Hero calls
Turn:($100.64) 9 (2 players)
River:($100.64) 5 (2 players)
Final Pot: $100.64
Villain has rockets.
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I'm not sure how I should have played this. Damn, position is nice, I miss it. No reads on villain. Thoughts?
HAND 2
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
Hero: $111
CO: $183.75
BTN: $97.50
SB: $114.78
BB: $91.50
UTG: $106.50
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with A K
UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, CO folds, BTN calls, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($9.50) 6 T A (2 players)
Hero bets $7, BTN raises to $18, Hero calls
Turn:($45.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
River:($45.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $18 |
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Posted: Thu, 24 May 2007, 4:43pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Bet that set! Too linear? No reads on villain.
HAND 3
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
BB: $53.50
UTG: $32.03
UTG+1: $87
CO: $98.50
Hero: $120.50
SB: $102.14
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 6 6
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $3, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($7.50) 5 T 6 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $6, UTG+1 calls
Turn:($19.50) Q (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $14, UTG+1 calls
River:($47.50) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $23, UTG+1 calls
Final Pot: $93.50
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I wasn't crazy about this hand; his unusual line baffled me, and the minbet/call on the flop harked back to 25NL and how donks play flush draws. As a result, no value bet on river. Also, I'm unsure about the turn bet - is this somewhere where controlling the pot would have been better, since I did have showdown value? Overall, good/bad?
HAND 4
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
SB: $99.78
BB: $28
UTG: $89
UTG+1: $101.75
Hero: $144.63
BTN: $101.12
Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with T J
UTG raises to $3, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds
Flop:($10.50) A 9 T (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $1, Hero raises to $9, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls
Turn:($28.50) 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $19, UTG+1 calls
River:($66.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks
Final Pot: $66.50 |
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Posted: Thu, 24 May 2007, 4:50pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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I was really annoyed with how I played this. Villain was a quality TAGG - perhaps he was simply second barrelling. Now I'll never know.
HAND 5
No Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($100NL)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed
Stacks
UTG+1: $80.88
CO: $105.50
Hero: $110.37
SB: $124.50
BB: $20.25
UTG: $115.02
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 5 4
UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls
Flop:($12.50) Q 2 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $8, Hero calls, BB folds
Turn:($28.50) A (2 players)
UTG bets $16, Hero raises to $32, UTG folds, Hero doesn't show hand
Final Pot: $60.50
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Not much of a hand really, but felt great to make a thin call against a quality LAGG. Feels great when a read comes off.
HAND 6
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($198.55)
Hero ($99.50)
SB ($112.10)
BB ($100.70)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , 8 .
UTG raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.
Flop: ($9.50) 2, J | | | |
