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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 9:05am Post subject: Second session 25PLO
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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Another session i played later on in the same day as my first.
Sorry for the selfishness for posting a load of hands but its probably kinda standard lays or common mistakes which probably arent worth much discussion anyway.
I will probably just move u to 50PLO (lol i keep tying 50NL) coz Ive the BR for it and i should probably get PT version for PLO
******* Hand 1 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Hero: $34.65
CO: $25
Button: $51.35
SB: $14.30
BB: $13.80
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A  J  5 9
Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: A  9  K ($2.65, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, Button calls, BB folds.
Turn: 6 ($6.65, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls.
River: T ($14.65, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.
Results:
Final pot: $14.65
******* Hand 2 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $57.95
UTG+1: $14.20
CO: $15
Button: $7.20
Hero: $27.55
BB: $30.90
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K 6 Q 3
UTG calls, UTG+1, folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero calls, BB (poster) checks.
Flop: J 7 Q ($1.25, 5 players)
Hero bets $1, BB calls, UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7, BB folds, UTG calls.
Turn: 6 ($16.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG raises to $45.45, Hero calls all-in $10.3.
Uncalled bets: $25.15 returned to UTG.
River: 2 ($56.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $56.85)
Results:
Final pot: $56.85
******* Hand 3 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $18.50
Hero: $53.45
CO: $10
Button: $22.55
SB: $15.10
BB: $15.80
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q 4 A 3
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.1, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: J K T ($4.5, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.5, CO folds, Button calls, BB raises all-in $14.7, Hero raises to $51.9, Button calls all-in $17.95.
Uncalled bets: $30.45 returned to Hero.
Turn: 4 ($62.1, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $48.6, Sidepot 1: $13.5)
River: 7 ($62.1, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $48.6, Sidepot 1: $13.5)
Results:
Final pot: $62.1
******* Hand 4 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $32.70
UTG+1: $9.05
CO: $8.80
Button: $11.95
SB: $5.65
Hero: $23.55
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K T 9 Q
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks.
Flop: A 6 J ($1.25, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, 2 folds, CO raises to $4.2, SB folds, Hero raises to $13.8, CO calls all-in $4.35.
Uncalled bets: $5.25 returned to Hero.
Turn: T ($18.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.35)
River: 3 ($18.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.35)
Results:
Final pot: $18.35
******* Hand 5 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
CO: $8.8
UTG: $29.05
CO: $3.70
Hero: $31.10
SB: $16.05
BB: $18.55
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 5 T A A
UTG calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.1, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.
Flop: 3 6 4 ($3.55, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB folds, UTG calls.
Turn: 9 ($8.55, 2 players)
UTG bets $8.15, Hero raises all-in $27.5, UTG calls all-in $17.3.
Uncalled bets: $2.05 returned to Hero.
River: 5 ($59.45, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $59.45)
Results:
Final pot: $59.45
******* Hand 6 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.60
UTG+1: $5.20
Hero: $25
Button: $14.20
SB: $21.40
BB: $25.20
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 4 A J 8
UTG raises to $0.5, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: 6 T 3 ($3, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button raises to $4.85, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.
Turn: Q ($18.05, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button is all-in $8.85, BB folds, Hero calls.
River: T ($35.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $35.75)
Results:
Final pot: $35.75
******* Hand 7 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
BB: $25.2
UTG: $13.15
Hero: $30.65
Button: $6.75
SB: $5.55
BB: $29.05
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K 8 K A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.85, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: T 2 9 ($2.55, 3 players)
SB bets $2.45, BB folds, Hero raises to $9.8, SB calls all-in $2.25.
Uncalled bets: $5.1 returned to Hero.
Turn: J ($11.95, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $11.95)
River: 3 ($11.95, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $11.95)
Results:
Final pot: $11.95
******* Hand 8 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.10
UTG+1: $11.85
Hero: $25.45
Button: $16.65
SB: $38.80
BB: $17.65
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q 8 7 J
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.
Flop: 6 8 9 ($1.25, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1, Button folds, SB calls, 2 folds.
Turn: 6 ($3.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.4, SB calls.
River: T ($8.05, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.5, SB raises to $24.2, Hero calls all-in $16.3.
Uncalled bets: $2.4 returned to SB.
Results:
Final pot: $51.65
******* Hand 9 ********
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.10
CO: $13.25
Hero: $33.10
SB: $19.50
SB: $38.8
BB: $27.80
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A 5 4 4
UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.
Flop: Q 6 2 ($1.25, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls, 3 folds.
Turn: K ($3.25, 2 players)
CO bets $1, Hero raises to $5, CO calls.
River: 9 ($13.25, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $12.6, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $12.6 returned to Hero.
Results:
Final pot: $13.25
Thanks again guys |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 9:46am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 1001
WPP: 198
Location: Melbourne
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As you've said, ther'es lots of hands so answers in brief. Ask me questions if you don't agree or want to clarify something with me
1. pot turn. it's a great hand. river play fine.
2. that is spewage at my stakes. I don't know about 25PLO. I will check the flop here. As played I think I'm calling the flop and checking the turn. I fold it if he pots the turn. He seems relatively sane and he's raised a bet and a call with 2 players to act behind him. You needed to keep the pot small by checking the flop.
3. good
4. good; this hand is stronger PF than hand 3. Why did you raise hand 3 and not this one?
5. we've been here. you have no OESD
6. OK. I'd play it the same.
7. excellent
8. Spewage at any stakes |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 10:15am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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| salsa4ever wrote: | 2. that is spewage at my stakes. I don't know about 25PLO. I will check the flop here. As played I think I'm calling the flop and checking the turn. I fold it if he pots the turn. He seems relatively sane and he's raised a bet and a call with 2 players to act behind him. You needed to keep the pot small by checking the flop.
im kinda surprised though i see what your saying. basically floping a flush thats K high isnt very good still, if its not good then its not good so i wont lay it so strong then.
4. good; this hand is stronger PF than hand 3. Why did you raise hand 3 and not this one?
Im stil unsure of the exact ranking of hands. I havent looked into that bit yet. I knew its strong ish but thought OOP vs passive players so i might find it tough to play a primarily draw heavy hand.
5. we've been here. you have no OESD
oops lol
8. Spewage at any stakes
River only perhaps!! i think my flop and turn is fine. i rep strength on flop so why not bet turn. check behind river for showdown value then i guess but is it usual for opp's to c/r rivers?? am i not missing out on some value by betting here
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 12:05pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17649
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Hand 1: Fold that crap pre-flop. WTF are we putting him on?
Hand 2: Don't stack off without the nuts in an unraised pot unless your opponent is a proven idiot.
Hand 3: Stacks in center with nuts (no 4 flush possible) good, although I don't play that crap either.
Hand 4: GAMB00L
Hand 5: Stack donation, stop doing this.
Hand 6: Yet another shitty pre-flop hand. I like to have 4-6 good hold'em hands (or JJ+ vs bad players), you only have 2 here.
Hand 7: Routine
Hand 8: River is a pretty easy bet/fold if you're not checking behind.
Hand 9: G00t. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 12:06pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17649
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| salsa4ever wrote: | | 4. good; this hand is stronger PF than hand 3. Why did you raise hand 3 and not this one? |
Position. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 4:44pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 2911
WPP: 107
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what Fnord said, almost to a tee. 3-suited hands are very marginal.
hands 8,9,6,1,2 are all marginal pre-flop. 2 is OK for 1/2 a BB.
Most interesting hand here is 8, because of the paired board. Nice s/p by villian if he has 66/88/99/TT. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 5:28pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17649
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Backdooring flushes and freerolling are a great ways to stack thinking players. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 7:52pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 Jul 2005
Posts: 1521
WPP: 79
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| zenbitz wrote: | | 3-suited hands are very marginal. |
Not really, it depends on your other cards. Basically if a hand would be playable if it only had 2 suits in it you should still play if it has the 3rd suit. That being said, hands like #1 (Ac9c5cJ) and #3 (AhQh3h4) really aren't worth playing. I don't mind hands like #9 (Ad5d4d4) because we are on the button.
| Fnord wrote: | | Backdooring flushes and freerolling are a great ways to stack thinking players. |
QFT. The good lagg deepstacked players will often be drawing to crazy backdoor hands because their chances of getting paid off big are so good. Not being afraid to bet a full buyin on the river with a backdoored 7-high flush is a good quality to have in PLO... |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 8:00pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 1001
WPP: 198
Location: Melbourne
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| Fnord wrote: | | salsa4ever wrote: | | 4. good; this hand is stronger PF than hand 3. Why did you raise hand 3 and not this one? |
Position. |
i can see that. my point is if he's raising the crapola of a hand that is hand 3 I'd rather raise this reasonable holding out of position |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 4:09am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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alot to learn guys thanks. read a good bit of SSII last night to help speed things up. Would really like to develop PLO up to about 100PLO so im not losing much money jumping between game types.
Salsa do you only play Omaha? No Holdem. |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 4:32am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17649
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| The Omaha games are pretty good right now because of all of the Hold'em players who try to play it like NLHE and the lack of easy to find good literature. |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 4:58am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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| exactly why id kinda want to have a bit of a go at it. though hasnt this been the case for a long time? Is there any sign that ppl are trying to catch onto this potential goldmine. |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 6:43am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 1001
WPP: 198
Location: Melbourne
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| Da GOAT wrote: | alot to learn guys thanks. read a good bit of SSII last night to help speed things up. Would really like to develop PLO up to about 100PLO so im not losing much money jumping between game types.
Salsa do you only play Omaha? No Holdem. |
I made my first 10k from casino whoring, then my next 50k from playing holdem. At the start of my holdem life, I was like 25NL and 50NL back when party hadn't split and you had like 4 reloads a month and unlimited MultiPoker bonuses. Then I went to Bodog when their games were still fishy as hell.
After mid nov 2006, I ran into a wall (no surprise this was when the 'ban' came in force). Kept banging my head into the wall for about 2 months trying to win @ holdem, and realized it wasn't working and I had to do something about it. That something was omaha.
I like omaha so much more than NL holdem, but if I had the skill to beat 200NL like I did not very long ago, I'd play it too. I play NL holdem tourneys though... Bodog guaranteed tourneys are a goldmine |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 9:13am Post subject:
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BAD MOD
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 5367
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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I just don't like hand 2.
I think the only hand paying you off there is Td9d. |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 11:30am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 2911
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one thing that's a little "tough" about current low stakes PLO on line games (in my limited experience) is that people either GET IT or they don't... and you have to play totally differently against the two types.
GETS IT is here defined as "knows when non-nuts aren't good" |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 12:12pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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| I GET IT i swear, im gonna try work on this game too |
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