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Posted: Sat, 12 May 2007, 5:27pm Post subject: My First PLO session. Some hands 25NL
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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Hey guys, if you got time please have a look over these important hands in my first session of PLO.
No reads though coz im busy figuring out my OWN hand
#1
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $21.75
UTG+1: $36.90
CO: $4.40
Button: $10.10
SB: $7.55
Hero: $25
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q  J  K J 
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, CO folds, Button calls $0.75 (pot was $1.1), SB calls $0.65 (pot was $1.85), Hero calls $0.5 (pot was $2.5).
Flop: J  6 7 ($3, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.25, UTG+1 folds, Button calls $2.25 (pot was $5.25), SB calls $2.25 (pot was $7.5).
Turn: 4 ($9.75, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, Button folds, SB calls all-in $4.55.
Uncalled bets: $2.45 returned to Hero.
River: 4 ($18.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.85)
Results:
Final pot: $18.85
#2
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $3.20
UTG+1: $5.80
CO: $5
Hero: $38.95
SB: $5.90
BB: $39.20
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A Q 4 A
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), CO raises to $1.1, Hero raises to $3.9, SB folds, BB calls $3.65 (pot was $5.6), UTG+1 raises all-in $5.8, CO calls all-in $3.9, Hero calls $1.9 (pot was $17.6), BB calls $1.9 (pot was $19.5).
Flop: Q 3 3 ($17.6, 2 players + 2 all-in - Main pot: $20.1)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $14 returned to Hero.
Turn: 4 ($17.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $20.1)
River: 8 ($17.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $20.1)
Results:
Final pot: $17.6
#3
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $3.40
UTG+1: $6.75
Hero: $23.15
Button: $25.75
SB: $11.40
BB: $27.10
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T Q 9 A
UTG calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $1.1, Button calls $1.1 (pot was $1.7), 2 folds, UTG calls $0.85 (pot was $2.8).
Flop: T 2 7 ($3.65, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, Button folds, UTG calls all-in $2.3.
Uncalled bets: $0.7 returned to Hero.
Turn: T ($8.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $8.25)
River: T ($8.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $8.25)
Results:
Final pot: $8.25
#4
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $32.70
UTG+1: $9.05
CO: $8.80
Button: $11.95
SB: $5.65
Hero: $23.55
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K T 9 Q
UTG calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), UTG+1 calls $0.25 (pot was $0.6), CO calls $0.25 (pot was $0.85), Button folds, SB calls $0.15 (pot was $1.1), Hero checks.
Flop: A 6 J ($1.25, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, 2 folds, CO raises to $4.2, SB folds, Hero raises to $13.8, CO calls all-in $4.35.
Uncalled bets: $5.25 returned to Hero.
Turn: T ($18.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.35)
River: 3 ($18.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.35)
Results:
Final pot: $18.35
#5
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $29.05
CO: $3.70
Hero: $31.10
SB: $16.05
BB: $18.55
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 5 T A A
UTG calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), CO folds, Hero raises to $1.1, SB calls $1 (pot was $1.7), BB folds, UTG calls $0.85 (pot was $2.7).
Flop: 3 6 4 ($3.55, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB folds, UTG calls $2.5 (pot was $6.05).
Turn: 9 ($8.55, 2 players)
UTG bets $8.15, Hero raises all-in $27.5, UTG calls all-in $17.3.
Uncalled bets: $2.05 returned to Hero.
River: 5 ($59.45, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $59.45)
Results:
Final pot: $59.45 |
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Posted: Sat, 12 May 2007, 11:15pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 1001
WPP: 198
Location: Melbourne
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hand 1
either bet the pot on the flop or check-raise pot-size. This isn't holdem; the 'standard' bet is pot, not 3/4 pot. There should be a specific motivation for not betting the pot.
clearly a bet on the turn here. Most likely draw is club flush rather than 58 for a straight. Would make it easier if you had bet the pot. And you're never drawing dead
hand 2
not much you can do there pre flop. you can't really anticipate UTG going all in so you just have to raise pot size rather than leave him enough for a full raise. On the flop I'd check. He never folds a hand that beats you, hardly calls with a hand that you beat, and there's pretty much nothing that improves his hand to beat you. Perhaps 2 pairs in the hole for 4 outs, but that's a long shot. Because of the shortstack all in, there's just nothing to be gained by making BB fold
hand 3
don't mind raising on the CO to try buying the button. Flop just plays itself. NH
hand 4
pot building bet on the flop is OK. Isolation is not ideal but you've got so much equity and you're OOP so all in is mandatory
hand 5
Terrible. I'm not putting a dime in on the flop. If you had kept the pot small you could simply call the turn in position and fold the blank river
generally playing OK. I'd be surprised if you couldn't beat this game |
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Posted: Sun, 13 May 2007, 1:30am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17649
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| salsa4ever wrote: | | This isn't holdem; the 'standard' bet is pot, not 3/4 pot. There should be a specific motivation for not betting the pot. |
It depends. The more often you're bluffing or running bet/fold and pot control sorts of lines the better off you're going to be going at around 75% pot because of the better value for fold equity. However, when just jamming pots against fish or likely second best hands mash the pot button.
There is a lot of debate about pot control in tough spots in Hold'em. For Omaha there is no debate. This game is all about manipulating the size of the pot and exploiting the crap out of commitment mistakes.
Hand 1: It's fine
Hand 2: In passive, fishy games if you never re-raised pre-flop you're not making a big mistake. You're really setting yoursellf up for a major commitment error here.
Hand 3: Ni Han. I mgiht be a big more careful if the button + blinds are really loose.
Hand 4: I check this flop because I want to play turns and rivers in this spot.
Hand 5: Check flop, you have nothing. Fail that, raising the turn is just spew, UTG should have blown you off your hand with that bet. |
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Posted: Sun, 13 May 2007, 11:14am Post subject:
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BAD MOD
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 5368
WPP: 79
Location: Pwnsylvania
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Posted: Sun, 13 May 2007, 12:01pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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| bigspenda73 wrote: | | How is PS $25PLO game? |
i have nothing to compare it to but it was very passive both before and after the flop. i felt like the only one thats was betting. id say even tho im a newbie fish to this game id still beat 50NL  |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 4:35am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17649
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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I think this is a case where potting the flop would be a mistake.
wshah23 - Thinking LAgg who's trying to make the game play bigger.
No one else stands out. The LAgg is driving the table texture.
PokerStars Game #9904054299: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/05/14 - 05:23:50 (ET)
Table 'Isis IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: wshah23 ($315 in chips)
Seat 2: ANILIHATOR ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Fnord ($146.05 in chips)
Seat 4: rosafighter ($95.50 in chips)
Seat 5: AAA_flop_777 ($123.70 in chips)
Seat 7: andros099 ($38.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Toligo ($21 in chips)
Seat 9: FourKing ($94.50 in chips)
rosafighter: posts small blind $0.50
AAA_flop_777: posts big blind $1
ANILIHATOR: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fnord [Ks 9h 7c Kc]
andros099: calls $1
Toligo: folds
FourKing: folds
wshah23: raises $4.50 to $5.50
ANILIHATOR: folds
Fnord: calls $5.50
rosafighter: folds
AAA_flop_777: calls $4.50
andros099: calls $4.50
*** FLOP *** [Td Kd 9c]
AAA_flop_777: checks
andros099: checks
wshah23: checks
Fnord: bets $10 (into about $20)
AAA_flop_777: calls $10
andros099: folds
wshah23: folds
*** TURN *** [Td Kd 9c] [Jc]
AAA_flop_777: bets $41.40
Fnord: calls $41.40
*** RIVER *** [Td Kd 9c Jc] [2c]
AAA_flop_777: bets $66.80 and is all-in
Fnord: calls $66.80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AAA_flop_777: shows [5s Ad 6d Qd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Fnord: shows [Ks 9h 7c Kc] (a flush, King high)
Fnord collected $256.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $259.90 | Rake $3
Board [Td Kd 9c Jc 2c]
Seat 1: wshah23 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: ANILIHATOR folded before Flop
Seat 3: Fnord (button) showed [Ks 9h 7c Kc] and won ($256.90) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: rosafighter (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: AAA_flop_777 (big blind) showed [5s Ad 6d Qd] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: andros099 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Toligo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: FourKing folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 4:50am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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| Fnord, just regards your hand there. i agree potting flop will bloat the pot but calling on the turn cant be good even vs a Lag. One card beats you and you dont have odds to fill up either or complete flush. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 5:08am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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OK hand 5 seems to be poor from me. Ok i got AA but my other two are probably not gonna come into play but...
Flop: 3 6 4 ($3.55, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB folds, UTG calls $2.5 (pot was $6.05).
i got OESD,Overpair,BD FD. i raised PF so should i often be c/b'ing as in holdem or should my c/b % be dramtically lower.
Turn: 9 ($8.55, 2 players)
UTG bets $8.15, Hero raises all-in $27.5, UTG calls all-in $17.3.
Uncalled bets: $2.05 returned to Hero.
now ive the nut FD and the 9 didnt really help his hand but am i really to fold here or do i really need to be afraid of a str8.
on a side note: Salsa/Fnord at what level does the play become alot harder?? Fnord i see you playing 100PLO is that tough. Salsa plays 400PLO and makes it look easy |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 6:43am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 1001
WPP: 198
Location: Melbourne
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| Da GOAT wrote: | OK hand 5 seems to be poor from me. Ok i got AA but my other two are probably not gonna come into play but...
Flop: 3 6 4 ($3.55, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB folds, UTG calls $2.5 (pot was $6.05).
i got OESD,Overpair,BD FD. i raised PF so should i often be c/b'ing as in holdem or should my c/b % be dramtically lower.
Turn: 9 ($8.55, 2 players)
UTG bets $8.15, Hero raises all-in $27.5, UTG calls all-in $17.3.
Uncalled bets: $2.05 returned to Hero.
now ive the nut FD and the 9 didnt really help his hand but am i really to fold here or do i really need to be afraid of a str8.
on a side note: Salsa/Fnord at what level does the play become alot harder?? Fnord i see you playing 100PLO is that tough. Salsa plays 400PLO and makes it look easy |
you don't have an OESD. Remember you can't use one card to make an OESD in Omaha. You have a gutshot 2nd best straight draw.
I think 25PLO and 50PLO is taking candy from a baby. 100PLO and 200PLO similar in difficulty. 400PLO is beatable once you work out how to do it. 600, 1000, and 2000PLO gets more difficult. 25/50/100 PLO is taking candy from a baby. 200 PLO a little harder. 400PLO noticibly harder. 2000PLO you wanna be Sammy Farha's twin brother to be confident of beating it. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 8:04am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3300
WPP: 85
Location: Dublin
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| lol such a noob, i knew that but forgot i didnt really have the OESD. doh! |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 11:43am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17649
WPP: 83
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Da GOAT wrote: | | Fnord, just regards your hand there. i agree potting flop will bloat the pot but calling on the turn cant be good even vs a Lag. One card beats you and you dont have odds to fill up either or complete flush. |
LAgg folded on the flop. Opponent is an unknown who's probably also trying to trap the LAgg.
Folding the turn here is pissing away money per my calculations. How do you figure it's a fold? |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 12:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Location: Dublin
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| sorry maybe you do have the odds to fillup or complete the FD and get paid on river. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 May 2007, 8:07pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 1001
WPP: 198
Location: Melbourne
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| Da GOAT wrote: | | sorry maybe you do have the odds to fillup or complete the FD and get paid on river. |
exactly. with no FD you have to fold. But with a K-high backdoor flush draw, if you actually hit you can get paid off. He's got more than enough outs to draw (9+7) against a made straight with no blockers based on the direct odds only. |
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