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Posted: Wed, 19 Jan 2005, 11:49am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 154
Location: B N L
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| Getting dealt pocket rockets on the big blind and having the table fold all the way around - picking up a gain of one SB. Especially in last rounds of a SNG. |
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Posted: Thu, 20 Jan 2005, 8:10am Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 24 Nov 2004
Posts: 9
WPP: 343
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| rdqlus wrote: | | Vaun21 wrote: | My friend pointed out one of his pet peeves, one that I had never came across until he mentioned it, and has now become one of mine.
In live games, home or tourney (where players themselves deal), dealing out the hole cards and immediatley after, before any betting occurs, burn a card, place the flop face down; burn a second card and place the turn card face down; burn a third card and place the river card face down.
I absolutely cannot stand when someone does this.  |
The purpose of burning a card before the flop, turn and river is to prevent anyone from taking advantage of marked cards. Explain this to them ... hopefully they'll stop when they realize what they're doing is stupid.
mj |
Thank You!
I played in my first live tourney(s) this week, and was suprised by some of the things I found. The worst was this pre-dealing the board. I've never seen it before, and at least one player at each table I was on did this. It caused several problems, including people mucking into the face-down board cards, and rampant rabbit hunting, "since they were out there anyway."
We were playing with old cards all-around, too. So now I have a response that I can give politely when someone does this, and maybe get it to stop. Thanks!
The other thing I noticed right away was that 4 or 5 out of 8 would see the flop every deal, despite raises. It wasn't always the same people, and it wasn't always with decent cards. Oh well, it's a "friendly" game, and I'll be playing at least twice a month, though the game is on every Monday night. I'll get 'em figured out soon enough. 
Don't get me wrong, I made my share of blunders (I hate when a card flips on the deal.) But I definitely didn't feel too out-classed. A little overwhelmed by everything going on, but not out-classed. |
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Posted: Tue, 25 Jan 2005, 12:32pm Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
Posts: 8
WPP: 40
Location: Canada
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| The thing I hate the most is people who insist poker is a game of luck. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jan 2005, 1:11pm Post subject: |
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
Joined: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 7836
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Location: This room is a good place to be
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Posted: Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 5:26am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Dec 2004
Posts: 260
WPP: 120
Location: Sweden
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| Quote: | I forgot to mention one of my biggest frustrations - pot-juicers. Often this is the same guy who constantly minimum-bets no matter what he holds. In this case, visualize a situation at a no limit table, blinds are .25/.50, and maybe five have limped in... small blind calls, then the big blind raises it to $1.
This is a useless raise. Not one of the people who limped in will fold. The only possible strategic purpose of this raise is if your hand is the magical great hand that can hold up and win a large percentage of the time in a six or seven-way pot. i.e. You better hold kings or aces if you do this. And then you still better have your good luck charms on your person. A lot of times if someone raises like that, I'll go ahead and raise it to $2 to do their work for them. If we're gonna play, let's PLAY. |
No itīs not a useless raise. Itīs a potbuilding raise. If you think you have the best hand, then a raise is correct. You could argue that he should raise more, but a $1 raise here is certainly not useless. And you donīt need magical hands as you only need your hand to hold up in more than one time in six in a six-way pot. |
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Posted: Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 7:23am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3089
WPP: 159
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| Waggho wrote: |
No itīs not a useless raise. Itīs a potbuilding raise. If you think you have the best hand, then a raise is correct. You could argue that he should raise more, but a $1 raise here is certainly not useless. And you donīt need magical hands as you only need your hand to hold up in more than one time in six in a six-way pot. |
Maybe it would be more accurate to say it annoys me to death and slows down the hand... how's that? Also it bumps up the likelihood of a pissing match - someone raising another couple dollars just because they're annoyed. Suddenly these two guys end up all-in with pocket 8s and KJ. Which they're welcome to do, but they're forcing me off some decent hands that I want to play.
You're right that all you need is for your hand to hold up a certain % of the time for this to be a profitable move. However - if poker is already a game of exploiting slim statistical advantages, this technique makes those advantages even slimmer. Instead of getting into a two or three way pot where you are a favorite to win, you are getting into bigger pots with more people where you might be lucky to be a 25% favorite. In addition, those premium hands become harder to play because of the sheer diversity of opponents in the pot. Let's say you are heads-up with someone holding AK, and the flop is Kc Qc 9h... pretty good flop. You'd bet that hard and expect to win most of the time. In a six way pot, you could be up against a straight or two pair. You've probably got straight and flush draws out there. Any bet you put out short of pushing all-in, you will get called by a couple people - who will have pretty good pot odds - and if the next card is a 10? a J? a club? Your AK might still be best but you may never know. You actually lose some of your statistical edge because you've set yourself up for a hand that is dangerous and hard to navigate correctly.
To me the purpose of raising is to drive out lesser hands, increase your statistical edge on each hand you choose to play, and therefore profit more easily on a hand-by-hand basis. If you elect to just juice the pot and constantly play even your premium hands against four or five opponents, you're going to have to be a better player to turn anywhere close to the same profit in the short or long run. |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Jan 2005, 11:06am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Dec 2004
Posts: 260
WPP: 120
Location: Sweden
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| Iīm with you. Your points are good. |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Jan 2005, 3:14pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 206
WPP: 88
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I hate people who say "you're bluffing" then fold.
-Fishmagician |
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Posted: Sat, 29 Jan 2005, 8:19pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
Posts: 149
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| elanto wrote: | people who complain about theyre aces getting cracked after they slow played them pre flop, checked the flop and turn and then push in the river...when i have a str8 or flush 
-anto |
Why is this a peeve? You are taking their money. If they want to keep playing that way, I will listen to their banter while taking their chips. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Feb 2005, 1:23pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3089
WPP: 159
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| New pet peeve that has plagued me all day today: sitting with fish I know I can take money off of, and getting absolutely no hands to work with. I'm sitting right behind a guy right now who is pre-flop raising with mediocre hands about 50% of the time (then usually checking the flop... weird), and all I need is some decent cards to start playing back at him and take his money... and what am I getting? T4 suited, 34 offsuit, etc. etc. For three orbits in a row now, nothing but crap. I almost guarantee he'll fold the first hand I get something, and then leave the table. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Feb 2005, 2:47pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 1476
WPP: 135
Location: moral high ground
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huge pet peeve (especially on Party where you can be shown as male or female):
When female players chat it up and pretend to be young, drunk, and horny as a distraction. I mean, if you're going to do that, you might as well be playing live where it might actually work as an awesome bluffing technique. Either that or hit the street corner where there's more money to be made. |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Feb 2005, 10:31pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 12 Dec 2004
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WPP: 54
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betting into a dry pot, ok sure i dont mind
people who bet on the button because everyone checked. |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Feb 2005, 10:32pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 12 Dec 2004
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| dalecooper wrote: | | New pet peeve that has plagued me all day today: sitting with fish I know I can take money off of, and getting absolutely no hands to work with. I'm sitting right behind a guy right now who is pre-flop raising with mediocre hands about 50% of the time (then usually checking the flop... weird), and all I need is some decent cards to start playing back at him and take his money... and what am I getting? T4 suited, 34 offsuit, etc. etc. For three orbits in a row now, nothing but crap. I almost guarantee he'll fold the first hand I get something, and then leave the table. | ya i hear ya, i just lost $30 at the $1-2 tables on vc because i was getting 10,4 J,3 for a freakin HOUR |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2005, 8:31am Post subject: |
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Season I
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Posts: 2359
WPP: 74
Location: Dallas, TX
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| jmontis wrote: | | people who bet on the button because everyone checked. |
Nonsense. That's what the button (and red cards) are for. |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2005, 2:35pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3089
WPP: 159
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| I'll put this here because it doesn't deserve its own thread: not getting a chance to play premium cards. Today I got dealt two red aces in the small blind. As the action slowly goes around the table I'm waiting for someone - anyone - to pre-flop raise. Nothing... they all fold. OK, fine. So I complete my blind with no raise, hoping to maybe make a little something off the big blind. Nope: he actually folds his hand instead of checking it and taking a flop. Grrrrrrrr. |
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