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Posted: Fri, 23 Mar 2007, 9:49pm Post subject: QQ, another tough spot |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Posts: 92
WPP: 246
Location: Illinois
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No reads on the villain. This may be completely standard, but....
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
8 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: t2385
UTG+1: t1230
MP1: t390
Hero: t1530
CO: t1350
Button: t1785
SB: t2600
BB: t2230
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with Q  Q 
UTG calls t50 (pot was t75), UTG+1 raises to t200, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t500, 5 folds, UTG+1 raises all-in t1230, Hero calls t730 (pot was t1855). |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Mar 2007, 11:13pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 07 Jul 2005
Posts: 7610
WPP: 137
Location: Sydney
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| Standard. You can also just shove over the limp and the raise, that would be fine too. |
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Posted: Sun, 25 Mar 2007, 7:34am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Posts: 3896
WPP: 65
Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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| It is a tough spot, in low buy ins I call this, in higher buy ins there is very little chance you are ahead, you are either flipping or behind. |
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Posted: Sun, 25 Mar 2007, 8:28am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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i call this unless i have a spectacular read.
don't mean to hijack your thread, but here's a somewhat similar hand that i think is a standard fold.
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Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 5: cRu84 ( 4,590 )
Seat 8: pbk12 ( 1,740 )
Seat 4: Hero ( 2,020 )
Seat 6: dougthehead2 ( 1,750 )
Seat 2: rotzi1 ( 1,760 )
Seat 10: bise1979 ( 2,760 )
Seat 9: paps1234 ( 1,820 )
Seat 3: jiboia ( 3,560 )
Trny: ##### Level: 2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs Qh ]
paps1234 folds.
bise1979 calls [60]
rotzi1 raises [240]
jiboia folds.
Hero raises [540]
cRu84 folds.
dougthehead2 folds.
pbk12 folds.
bise1979 is all-In.
rotzi1 is all-In.
Hero folds.
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Posted: Sun, 25 Mar 2007, 10:04am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
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Location: Illinois
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| That's another tough one, but I'd agree with your move here. |
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Posted: Sun, 25 Mar 2007, 10:56am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 02 Aug 2005
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Two limps, I am shoving...
One limp one raise I am shoving.
First to act, I am raising. |
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Posted: Sun, 25 Mar 2007, 12:26pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 2471
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Location: Arlington, VA
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| fasin8ing wrote: | | Two limps, I am shoving... |
You shove for 1.5K after two people limp at 25/50? |
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Posted: Sun, 25 Mar 2007, 8:50pm Post subject: |
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Two Pair
Joined: 24 Mar 2007
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WPP: 131
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what would you all suggest if the hero had Jacks intead of queens. I am thinking I might lay it down? I am interested in your thoughts.
Thanks! |
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Posted: Sun, 25 Mar 2007, 9:11pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 07 Jul 2005
Posts: 7610
WPP: 137
Location: Sydney
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| cfought32 wrote: | | what would you all suggest if the hero had Jacks intead of queens. I am thinking I might lay it down? I am interested in your thoughts. |
In the OP's hand, whether to fold or shove over is read-dependent. If opp was LAggy I shove over, if they've been tight I fold. Readless I probably shove it though. |
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Posted: Mon, 26 Mar 2007, 4:04pm Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
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Location: Illinois
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| It was still early on in the tournament and I had no read on the villain. He did turn over KK here and sent me to the rail, but I still think it was a good move. More often than not, at these stakes, they have something I can beat. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 8:30am Post subject: |
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High Card
Joined: 20 Mar 2007
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| Local_Echo wrote: | | It was still early on in the tournament... |
As a noob I would like to ask if a preflop push with any holding is sensible ( I guess it wasn´t a rebuy tourney or something) so early. Is this one of those long run things? Because I wouldn´t go AI with anything not close to the nuts so early. In this case, is QQ so much of a fav against most other legitimate holdings that it is worth risking the whole tourney with it? |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 11:26am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 6:06pm Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
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Location: Illinois
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| Stagon wrote: | | As a noob I would like to ask if a preflop push with any holding is sensible ( I guess it wasn´t a rebuy tourney or something) so early. Is this one of those long run things? Because I wouldn´t go AI with anything not close to the nuts so early. In this case, is QQ so much of a fav against most other legitimate holdings that it is worth risking the whole tourney with it? |
This was a 9-man SNG, no rebuys or anything.... At these stakes ($11) he could've easily had something much worse. There are people that are that bad at these stakes. So, it's not so much a long run thing, I think, it's more of a quality of players issue. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 7:13pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Local_Echo wrote: | | There are people that are that bad at these stakes. So, it's not so much a long run thing, I think, it's more of a quality of players issue. |
That is why this was a good play. At higher levels I would agree that you may lay this down, but at the $11's I am going to the rail with QQ versus any hand all day. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 8:56pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Nov 2005
Posts: 2543
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Location: motorboating
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| I like TLR's line again. I would comment, but I would just be repeating what he said. |
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