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Fnord
Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 2:39am    Post subject: A simple live pre-flop problem Reply with quote
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9 handed LHE loose/passive 4/8 game. So far not much pre-flop aggression.

UTG is bitching about only being allowed to be served 3 beers in an hour. He raises.

His friend in UTG+1 smiles and 3-bets. My read is he's either screwing around or wants us to think he's screwing around.

Folded to the SB, wonderful loose passive player that calls a lot, but is capable of folding post-flop to extreme aggression by more than one player. Plays over half his hands, suited trash, connected trash, face cards, etc. He calls.

You have Queen of Spades Jack of Spades in the Big Blind. Your action?

I think it's close no matter what you do, but I'll hear what others think before I say what I did and why.
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gabe
Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 9:37am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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fold and avoid the confusing situation. obviously you (or whoever) is better than these players and will have an opportunity to cash in, so no need to get involved in this hand.
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ChezJ
Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 11:02am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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if it's me, i'm folding. but let me guess, you capped it.
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JJDylan
Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 11:20am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i'd re-raise, get the SB and possilbly the initial raiser out and see exactly how strong UTG+1 is...
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Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 11:24am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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hmmmm....i think QJs is a mucking hand against 2 cold. it really is a gamble though given your read.

if i just sat down i'd fold. but if this was near the end and i'm already up 50BB than what the hell i'll cap it.
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Sed
Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 12:01pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I would probably fold but if I felt they were weak players raise.
Is a QJs usually worth a 3-bet from the BB?

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mike4066
Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 1:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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JJDylan wrote:
i'd re-raise, get the SB and possilbly the initial raiser out and see exactly how strong UTG+1 is...


These guys don't fold to re-raises of any sort once they've limped or called.

Cap or fold.. Fold just to stay out of the hand, or cap it based on the fact that you have the possiblity to run up a HUGE pot.


I say have some fun and cap it Smile you hit your flop your going to get paid off huge in this hand.
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Jan 2005, 8:10am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That's a standard fold for me.
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Post Posted: Sat, 01 Jan 2005, 12:00pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Cap it and give yourself nice pot odds for a flush draw on the flop and potentially flush out stronger hands.
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