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OPERATION: 600 in 60****COMPLETED IN 24 DAYS

  
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gabe
Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 2:58pm    Post subject: OPERATION: 600 in 60****COMPLETED IN 24 DAYS Reply with quote
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I want to be playing 1/2 limit in a couple months, so I need a BR of 600 in 60 days. Thats my plan.

Right now I am building my BR and gaining lots of experience my Bonus whoring for jeff. In my first 477 hands, here are my stats:

VPIP: 21.89
PFR: 8.60

Agression -
oFlop: 2.59
oTurn:1.50
oRover: 1.71
Total: 1.96

Coldcalls: 0
Went to SD: 32.58
W$SD: 30.23
BB/100: -16.50 (ouch)
Total BB: -77 (ouuch)

Of course there must be leaks, but I do think I have not gotten the best of cards (it is not even 500 hands). I think I need to continue getting about the same numbers just with more wins at showdown and a positive BB/100.


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elipsesjeff
Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 3:02pm    Post subject: Re: OPERATION: 600 in 60 Reply with quote
i wouldn't mind a change...
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Gabriel wrote:

Went to SD: 32.58
W$SD: 30.23
BB/100: -16.50 (ouch)
Total BB: -77 (ouuch)


OUCH, those W$SD is horrible, you must either be getting some bad beats or showing down at the wrong times.

You are on a pretty bad swing here, but I'm sure you'll keep it up.

Good luck, you are taking your first step in improvement: setting goals.
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 3:10pm    Post subject: Re: OPERATION: 600 in 60 Reply with quote
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Gabriel wrote:

VPIP: 21.89


i hope you aren't playing full ring with a stat like that....
otherwise it just looks like you're on a bad run
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 3:15pm    Post subject: Re: OPERATION: 600 in 60 Reply with quote
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hypermegachi wrote:
Gabriel wrote:

VPIP: 21.89


i hope you aren't playing full ring with a stat like that....
otherwise it just looks like you're on a bad run


Yeah, a little loosy goosy, but its only 500 hands. PT still has him autorated as Tight Aggressive though.

I did the math, If you could bring this down to 15% for the time being it would save you:

6.89% * 500 *.25 = $8.61, or 19 BB per 500 Hands.

Thats a big savings of almost 4 BB/100 if you could drop that VP$IP 6%.
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gabe
Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 4:11pm    Post subject: Re: OPERATION: 600 in 60 Reply with quote
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elipsesjeff wrote:
You are on a pretty bad swing here, but I'm sure you'll keep it up.

uh....isn't that a bad thing?
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 4:25pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yup Wink

I'll stop spamming your operation now. Laughing
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 4:40pm    Post subject: Re: OPERATION: 600 in 60 Reply with quote
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elipsesjeff wrote:
You are on a pretty bad swing here, but I'm sure you'll keep it up.


Hahaha! Sounds like one of my Dad's pep talks in football (soccer) matches.

Oh and also, go Gabe!
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Brodie
Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 5:06pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Is 15% too low? I've been targeting 17-18%, but perhaps I'm not calibrated properly...
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 5:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Brodie wrote:
Is 15% too low? I've been targeting 17-18%, but perhaps I'm not calibrated properly...


Depends on how tight you want to play. I think to start off with 15% is good, and as you get better slowly add more hands in to increase it up to 17%.

Mine is around 17.5%
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 5:22pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Must get tighter, must get tighter.

I'm at ~16.5 for the last several days (500 hands or so), so I'm getting better. I'm trying to get my overall down from something horrible like 24%. I need a lot more hands of tight play to make up for how loose I was in the beginning (I love how PokerTraker can track your learning curve, too!).
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 6:36pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i dont think mine is too high considering the limit. i get enough multiway pots where i think can call marginal hands.
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 6:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Gabriel wrote:
i dont think mine is too high considering the limit. i get enough multiway pots where i think can call marginal hands.


i think it's more important that you are winning before you start loosening up
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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 7:16pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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hypermegachi wrote:

i think it's more important that you are winning before you start loosening up


edit: The more I play the tigher and more aggressive I seem to get. You learn more spots where hands like AQ are no good.


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Post Posted: Tue, 28 Dec 2004, 11:27pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Fnord wrote:

The more I play the looser I seem to get. You learn more spots where hands like AQ are no good.


And where a small pocket pair is.
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Post Posted: Wed, 29 Dec 2004, 12:42am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Some hints for you to start tightening up more:

Stop playing Qxs. Dont play this hand unless all 10 players are in the flop and you are on the button. Still call if on SB though, as per usual. These suited hands will drain a lot of money out of you.

Stop playing your small PP (22-66) from Early Position, its still okay to call with them from MP though. Don't play these hands from LP if no one else is in the pot. If you are the CO or the button, you can try to blind steal, but otherwise fold. You want a lot of players to see the flop so when you actually do hit your set, you can build the pot up quite nicely. These are actually the easiest to play. Stop check/calling down to the river with these also in multiway pots. Chances are, if there is 1 bettor and 1 caller, one of them usually has a higher pair than you; it is not worth the extra bet, as the pot is usually small in this case.

Stop playing weak broadway cards like KTo from early position. I saw you raise with KTo from middle position, thats VERY aggressive, in a loose game, just call. KTo and QJo are very easily dominated and if you play these hands from EP and a person on your left raises you, theres a chance you are already dominated. You'll get a feel when you should play these hands the more you play them.

Make sure you connected cards are suited as well, before you play them.
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Post Posted: Thu, 30 Dec 2004, 12:03am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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up to the minute stats! :

975 Hands
22.36 VPIP
amount won -5.08 (-10BB)
BB/100 = -1.04
WtoSD 33.81
W$@SD = 40.0
PFR = 9.44
Agg = 2.23

i made alot of my initial loss back, and i KNOW my post flop play is getting better.
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Post Posted: Thu, 30 Dec 2004, 12:50am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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elipsesjeff wrote:

Stop playing your small PP (22-66) from Early Position, its still okay to call with them from MP though.


In a good loose passive game 22-66 is an easy limp. In any game it's not much worse than break even. In a REALLY good loose passive game I'll start limping medium Axs. Similar thoughts with KTs, QTs, JTs...

elipsesjeff wrote:

Stop playing weak broadway cards like KTo from early position. I saw you raise with KTo from middle position, thats VERY aggressive, in a loose game, just call.


KJo, QJo - Last 4 positions
KTo, QTo, JTo - CO/Button

Open raise or limp behind. Sometimes muck behind a tight raiser. Sometimes raise behind a really bad limper (particularly if the blinds are tight.)

I stopped playing pre-flop via a chart a long time ago...
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Post Posted: Thu, 30 Dec 2004, 12:56am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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elipsesjeff wrote:

Depends on how tight you want to play. I think to start off with 15% is good, and as you get better slowly add more hands in to increase it up to 17%.


It also depends on the table.

If some idiot is mashing raise at every chance pre-flop you need to tighten up overall. If it's a loose/passive limpfest then you can play a lot more hands getting a cheap flop and/or crap hands protecting your equity when a monster raises. If it's a tight table or tight with 1-2 live ones, you're actually playing an extra hand here and there from the last 4 positions in an effort to isolate/steal the blinds and/or bad players.
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Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 12:54am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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today i played alot and made some money (i'm in the black now!)

520 Hands
18.46 VPIP
Amount won $16 (32 BB)
5.13 BB/100
went to SD 43, W$SD, 48
PFR 11.35
2.31 Average Agg
F 2.21
T 3.16
R 1.84

numbers are improving and so are the results.
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Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 1:27am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Fnord wrote:

I stopped playing pre-flop via a chart a long time ago...


You've also been playing LHE for 9 months or so and know how to play a hand in every situation.

Gabe, on the other hand, has very little experience playing and starting out tight and working looser is a lot easier than starting looser and trying to cut out hands.

I'm trying to cut his VP$IP down, sometimes its difficult to tell at the microlimits which ones are the passive and which ones are the aggressive ones, even though they are all loose.
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Post Posted: Fri, 31 Dec 2004, 2:51am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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elipsesjeff wrote:

Gabe, on the other hand, has very little experience playing and starting out tight and working looser is a lot easier than starting looser and trying to cut out hands.


Yeah, I'm just saying it's more important to know why the charts are a given way and why good players make certain pre-flop decisions than to play by any chart after you've learned the basics of the game.
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gabe
Post Posted: Mon, 03 Jan 2005, 1:20pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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My last 1000 hands:

VPIP: 19.3%
PFR: 9.9%
Amout lost: $1.19
BB/100: .24
Agression: 1.91 (not good enough!)

Went to showdown: 41%
Won at showdowm: 44%

eh, break even pretty much. I think I might be calling down when I know I am beat a little too often.


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Post Posted: Mon, 03 Jan 2005, 2:55pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Gabriel wrote:

Went to showdown: 41
Won at showdowm: 44


huh?

- sed